For the whole period including re-releases. I'm thinking probably something like Wizard of Oz or a Disney film would have the most?
It has to be a Disney title or perhaps Gone With The Wind. A film with a track record of re-releases it would have to be. Not sure about The Wizard Of Oz though. Don't know for sure but I will look into it. In the meantime I am curious to see what others think.
For the whole period including re-releases. I'm thinking probably something like Wizard of Oz or a Disney film would have the most?
It has to be a Disney title or perhaps Gone With The Wind. A film with a track record of re-releases it would have to be. Not sure about The Wizard Of Oz though. Don't know for sure but I will look into it. In the meantime I am curious to see what others think.
At present Gone With The Wind, along with Two Mules For Sister Sara ( without a re-release ) lead jointly on six images. Fantasia following behind on five. The Wizard Of Oz with only four. This is based on daybill images located to date but it is possible others exist of these titles and the numbers mentioned could possibly be more. If I think of any other films I will inform you as they spring to mind.
Frank capra's You Cant Take it with you. When was it first released in Australia? And was it re-released in Australia in the 1940s or 1950s?
Originally released in Australia in 1938. Mainly played in 1938 and 1939 with the odd country booking up to, as far as I can see, in 1944. I am confident a re-release in Australia didn't occur.
7 - Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. Gone With The Wind
6 - Two Mules For Sister Sara
5 - Pinocchio, The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia
Still ongoing. A lot of titles on four but this could alter.
Found that Duel ( 1971 ) has 7 different daybill printings, so straight into equal number one spot sharing with two classic movies. A surprising result. Also The Guns Of Navarone has a total of 5 .
Pinocchio, I'd need to check but I can think of six off the top of my head. From memory there were at lease three releases in the 40s, (or two and one in the 50s), then one in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
I still suspect there are more but there are seven on this page alone - you have to remember that the local distributors tended to ignore the Disney US directed release seasons and did their own thing...very frequently.
I still suspect there are more but there are seven on this page alone - you have to remember that the local distributors tended to ignore the Disney US directed release seasons and did their own thing...very frequently.
I'd like to know how you came up with just five.
Five is all I found at the time. I had never said this was all there were. The VMPF thread you show above appeared the year before I became a member here so I was unaware of the additional two. Thank you for pointing out the extra posters. You are possibly right in there being additional designs existing, so if you or anyone else finds any others please let us see them ? If any one believes there are more designs in total of any of the other films please let us know also ?
7 - Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. Gone With The Wind
6 - Two Mules For Sister Sara
5 - Pinocchio, The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia
Still ongoing. A lot of titles on four but this could alter.
Found that Duel ( 1971 ) has 7 different daybill printings, so straight into equal number one spot sharing with two classic movies. A surprising result. Also The Guns Of Navarone has a total of 5 .
AMENDED LIST.
7 - Pinocchio ( David believes 8 but in dispute ), Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Gone With The Wind, Duel
6 - Two Mules For Sister Sara
5 - The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia, The Guns Of Navarone
Any additional tiles with 5 or more designs of the same film or any disputing of the above list I would love to hear from you. Of interest there is a swag of titles sitting on four only , which well may be 5 or more. If you know of any other daybill film titles that are not listed above please let us know ?
Well technically you should say there are 8 - I never got around to researching why there was a daybill printed with and without the RKO logo.
I am loathe to speculate but I have three theories: one makes sense, one is a conspiracy theory and the other involves alien abduction and Jiminy Cricket...so yep, two make sense.
Well technically you should say there are 8 - I never got around to researching why there was a daybill printed with and without the RKO logo.
I am loathe to speculate but I have three theories: one makes sense, one is a conspiracy theory and the other involves alien abduction and Jiminy Cricket...so yep, two make sense.
Your number of 8 is recorded above for the record. I believe 7 as the RKO removal was possibly post printing.
PS - I did not edit this, I clicked to edit this in error - but nothing was edited.
Well technically you should say there are 8 - I never got around to researching why there was a daybill printed with and without the RKO logo.
I am loathe to speculate but I have three theories: one makes sense, one is a conspiracy theory and the other involves alien abduction and Jiminy Cricket...so yep, two make sense.
Your number of 8 is recorded above for the record. I believe 7 as the RKO removal was possibly post printing.
I don't think it was - there is more than one like that.
And you can't say ( David believes 8 but in dispute ) , it's not in dispute, it's fact as I have researched it until you prove me wrong it is reliable, isn't that how it goes?
Well technically you should say there are 8 - I never got around to researching why there was a daybill printed with and without the RKO logo.
I am loathe to speculate but I have three theories: one makes sense, one is a conspiracy theory and the other involves alien abduction and Jiminy Cricket...so yep, two make sense.
Your number of 8 is recorded above for the record. I believe 7 as the RKO removal was possibly post printing.
I don't think it was - there is more than one like that.
And you can't say ( David believes 8 but in dispute ) , it's not in dispute, it's fact as I have researched it until you prove me wrong it is reliable, isn't that how it goes?
As we know Pinocchio was released in 1940 and in the USA it was officially re-released in 1945, 1954, 1962, 1971, 1978, 1984, and 1992 = 8. If Australia followed direction from head office that would make 8, there is no evidence to suggest they did not and (Australian) posters we have seen are pretty much on or about those dates.
I think one can easily find re-releases for the movie in Australia well-outside the above dates even ignoring the margin of error accounting for time and distance, but even if they didn't, then that would still make 8.
Whether these (unofficial) releases had different posters than the previous official releases, I don't know. I would suspect not
Disney (Buena Vista) took over distributing their films in 1962, so what I have considered is that the blanked out RKO is unofficial re-release poster, likely not long after RKO and Disney parted ways but well before they Disney really started to control the official re-releases (from 1962).
I think this is far more logical than suggesting the RKO was removed post printing - I think it was simply printed without the logo on it.
It's either that theory or the one where Jiminy Cricket is an alien plant sent to control our minds....
Well technically you should say there are 8 - I never got around to researching why there was a daybill printed with and without the RKO logo.
I am loathe to speculate but I have three theories: one makes sense, one is a conspiracy theory and the other involves alien abduction and Jiminy Cricket...so yep, two make sense.
Your number of 8 is recorded above for the record. I believe 7 as the RKO removal was possibly post printing.
I don't think it was - there is more than one like that.
And you can't say ( David believes 8 but in dispute ) , it's not in dispute, it's fact as I have researched it until you prove me wrong it is reliable, isn't that how it goes?
It doesn't seem to work that way though when our roles are reversed. It should work that way but it doesn't seem to happen in reality. I have many examples but I will give as one example ''The Third Man''. I researched it, supplied all the relevant facts proving that the poster wasn't original but a re-release. You never did prove me wrong, so in your words it should have been reliable, so what happened to your ''isn't that how it goes? statement in that particular case''.
Well technically you should say there are 8 - I never got around to researching why there was a daybill printed with and without the RKO logo.
I am loathe to speculate but I have three theories: one makes sense, one is a conspiracy theory and the other involves alien abduction and Jiminy Cricket...so yep, two make sense.
Your number of 8 is recorded above for the record. I believe 7 as the RKO removal was possibly post printing.
I don't think it was - there is more than one like that.
And you can't say ( David believes 8 but in dispute ) , it's not in dispute, it's fact as I have researched it until you prove me wrong it is reliable, isn't that how it goes?
As we know Pinocchio was released in 1940 and in the USA it was officially re-released in 1945, 1954, 1962, 1971, 1978, 1984, and 1992 = 8. If Australia followed direction from head office that would make 8, there is no evidence to suggest they did not and (Australian) posters we have seen are pretty much on or about those dates.
I think one can easily find re-releases for the movie in Australia well-outside the above dates even ignoring the margin of error accounting for time and distance, but even if they didn't, then that would still make 8.
Whether these (unofficial) releases had different posters than the previous official releases, I don't know. I would suspect not
Disney (Buena Vista) took over distributing their films in 1962, so what I have considered is that the blanked out RKO is unofficial re-release poster, likely not long after RKO and Disney parted ways but well before they Disney really started to control the official re-releases (from 1962).
I think this is far more logical than suggesting the RKO was removed post printing - I think it was simply printed without the logo on it.
It's either that theory or the one where Jiminy Cricket is an alien plant sent to control our minds....
I'm sorry but Walt Disney through Buena Vista took over from RKO Radio in distributing their own product starting in the U.S.A. in 1953, not 1962, with The Living Desert. In Australia RKO continued to release Disney product until late 1957. MGM signed up to release Disney product after the collapse of RKO operations in Australia and in 1958 MGM released Old Yeller and Perri in 1959 along with two featurettes as their first releases in Australia. Now in making this correction I will also like to say a reason has just come to me and I now believe I know the reason behind the daybill not having the RKO logo printed on it. There is a big gap between the daybill released by RKO with the RKO Scope appearing on it and the BEF daybills. The Daybill with the RKO Scope on it would have been for a re-release advertised for RKO Pictures in The Film Weekly Yearbook trade publication in 1958 for RKO just before they ceased operations in Australia. Known Pinocchio posters then seem to jump to 1st of March 1972 when Pinocchio was classified G on 35mm by the Australian censor for release by BEF, and two daybill designs exist with BEF printed on them. For the fourteen years between 1958 and 1972 we appear not to have any posters for Pinocchio, which wouldn't seem probable for such a well known title. This is my educated guess then. When MGM took over distribution of Walt Disney product in 1958 they also gained all unreleased RKO product as well along with the RKO backlog of previously released titles still controlled by RKO. I know The Brain Machine, Tennessee's Partner and some other mainly 1956 and 1957 titles that had not been sold to television in 1955 were retained by MGM. I know for sure all the remaining posters from the RKO vaults ended up at MGM. As there surely was a release by MGM in the 1960's I believe someone at Walt Disney and or MGM came up with the idea to alter an earlier 1940's or 1950's RKO daybill and by removing where the RKO logo was originally placed they produced this poster to release in the 1960's by MGM.
Apologies, I miss wrote what I meant, I meant Disney took over distribution and in 1962 re-released Pinocchio.
You've already gone from that I was wrong that the logo was a blanked out post printing to it was printed without the logo for a later release, which is what I said, which also then removes your disputed comment - the rest as you say is an educated guess.
What I would agree to is, if there was a re-release in 1962 then it is very possible the non RKO print was for that, but I really have no idea and I wouldn't want Bruce to waste a postage stamp right now.
7 - Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. Gone With The Wind
6 - Two Mules For Sister Sara
5 - Pinocchio, The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia
Still ongoing. A lot of titles on four but this could alter.
Found that Duel ( 1971 ) has 7 different daybill printings, so straight into equal number one spot sharing with two classic movies. A surprising result. Also The Guns Of Navarone has a total of 5 .
AMENDED LIST.
7 - Pinocchio ( David believes 8 but in dispute ), Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Gone With The Wind, Duel
6 - Two Mules For Sister Sara
5 - The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia, The Guns Of Navarone
Any additional tiles with 5 or more designs of the same film or any disputing of the above list I would love to hear from you. Of interest there is a swag of titles sitting on four only , which well may be 5 or more. If you know of any other daybill film titles that are not listed above please let us know ?
NEW AMENDED LIST.
8 - Pinocchio
7 - Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Gone With The Wind, Duel
6 - Two Mules for Sister Sara
5 - The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia, The Guns of Navarone
There are also three daybills from the 1950s that were distributed by IFD that it is unknown if these are first release duotone daybills or if any full colour daybills also exist as well and if any or all of the three are second printings. The titles are Invaders From Mars, The Snow Creature and Fire Maidens From Outer Space. If anyone happens to have a full colour copy of any of these titles I would love to hear from you.
Although not IFD, King Of the Rocketmen is another poster that could be added to this list of daybills that have been previously considered reissues. I think it is likely that this and the IFD daybills that Lawrence has listed, are first release daybills. Its a pity that they are poor quality but we cant always expect original posters to be magnificent full colour masterpieces.
John said he thinks it is likely the three IFD duotone daybill titles I listed are first releases daybills. He may well be correct in saying this but my problem is there are two versions of another IFD Sci-Fi film of the 1950s titled The Creeping Unknown ( aka The Quatermass Xperiment from 1955 which has two versions of the same design ). Version one is a well drawn daybill produced in blue, red , black and white which I would call full colour and the second version is a poorly drawn version in only black, faded blue and white tri colour which is obviously a second printing.
If IFD produced two versions of The Creeping Unknown isn't it possible they may have also produced superior drawn blue, red, black and white versions or something with similar colours also as well as the poorly drawn commonly seen duotone versions for the three other titles? Just mentioning some facts and asking a valid question.
I dunno what this adds (or doesn't) to the discussion, but I stumbled upon it while searching the bay...at least it is slightly nicer than the fugly daybills!
This Australian one sheet of The Creeping Unknown ( aka The Quatermas Xperiment ) ( 1955 ) was one of the better film posters that IFD had designed and printed in the 1950's.A similar looking daybill , also produced by IFD by F. Cunninghame is of the same quality. There is also an extremely poorly designed duotone daybill of The Creeping Unknown that was printed without a distributor's name or printer's credits also, that would rank as one of the most laughable monster posters of all time..
Was pit and the pendulum ever released in Australia?
Yes it was. The history as follows -
The Pit And The Pendulum ( 1961 ) was originally banned in Australia 1961 on horror grounds.
Between 1968 and late 1971 when the R certificate was introduced in Australia the easing of toughness regarding horror films was eased a little in Australia by the censor. The Pit And The Pendulum was submitted by a new Australian distributor Roadshow. In November 1970 the film met the same fate and was once again banned on violence and indecency grounds. Then in December 1970 an appeal was submitted against the rejection but was dismissed by the Review board. Finally in January 1971 a reconstructed version, reduced from 80:49 to 79:35 was passed with a SOA rating. The film would have been released most likely sometime in 1971. There was a duotone Roadshow daybill printed and has beensighted from this Australian release. Ves has an image included in her Vincent Price collection on her website.
The question often asked of what may have been the last daybill designed and printed by Richardson Studio in Australia has been discussed at length on this thread and my opinion expressed previously. Today something new has come my way and I will shortly update some new facts previously unknown to me. This information will throw a new contender into the ring as to the title of the film that may have been the last daybill, or at least one of the last of the few that came out of the Richardson studio in Australia.
Comments
At present Gone With The Wind, along with Two Mules For Sister Sara ( without a re-release ) lead jointly on six images. Fantasia following behind on five. The Wizard Of Oz with only four. This is based on daybill images located to date but it is possible others exist of these titles and the numbers mentioned could possibly be more. If I think of any other films I will inform you as they spring to mind.
A new leader is Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs with Seven.
The more I check the more it changes.
Updated leaders with five or more.
7 - Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. Gone With The Wind
6 - Two Mules For Sister Sara
5 - Pinocchio, The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia
Still ongoing. A lot of titles on four but this could alter.
Found that Duel ( 1971 ) has 7 different daybill printings, so straight into equal number one spot sharing with two classic movies. A surprising result. Also The Guns Of Navarone has a total of 5 .
And I don't own a bloody original. Yet.
It is listed under 5.
I'd like to know how you came up with just five.
Five is all I found at the time. I had never said this was all there were. The VMPF thread you show above appeared the year before I became a member here so I was unaware of the additional two. Thank you for pointing out the extra posters. You are possibly right in there being additional designs existing, so if you or anyone else finds any others please let us see them ? If any one believes there are more designs in total of any of the other films please let us know also ?
AMENDED LIST.
7 - Pinocchio ( David believes 8 but in dispute ), Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Gone With The Wind, Duel
6 - Two Mules For Sister Sara
5 - The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia, The Guns Of Navarone
Any additional tiles with 5 or more designs of the same film or any disputing of the above list I would love to hear from you. Of interest there is a swag of titles sitting on four only , which well may be 5 or more. If you know of any other daybill film titles that are not listed above please let us know ?
I am loathe to speculate but I have three theories: one makes sense, one is a conspiracy theory and the other involves alien abduction and Jiminy Cricket...so yep, two make sense.
PS - I did not edit this, I clicked to edit this in error - but nothing was edited.
And you can't say ( David believes 8 but in dispute ) , it's not in dispute, it's fact as I have researched it until you prove me wrong it is reliable, isn't that how it goes?
As we know Pinocchio was released in 1940 and in the USA it was officially re-released in 1945, 1954, 1962, 1971, 1978, 1984, and 1992 = 8. If Australia followed direction from head office that would make 8, there is no evidence to suggest they did not and (Australian) posters we have seen are pretty much on or about those dates.
Whether these (unofficial) releases had different posters than the previous official releases, I don't know. I would suspect not
Disney (Buena Vista) took over distributing their films in 1962, so what I have considered is that the blanked out RKO is unofficial re-release poster, likely not long after RKO and Disney parted ways but well before they Disney really started to control the official re-releases (from 1962).
I think this is far more logical than suggesting the RKO was removed post printing - I think it was simply printed without the logo on it.
It's either that theory or the one where Jiminy Cricket is an alien plant sent to control our minds....
It doesn't seem to work that way though when our roles are reversed. It should work that way but it doesn't seem to happen in reality. I have many examples but I will give as one example ''The Third Man''. I researched it, supplied all the relevant facts proving that the poster wasn't original but a re-release. You never did prove me wrong, so in your words it should have been reliable, so what happened to your ''isn't that how it goes? statement in that particular case''.
I'm sorry but Walt Disney through Buena Vista took over from RKO Radio in distributing their own product starting in the U.S.A. in 1953, not 1962, with The Living Desert. In Australia RKO continued to release Disney product until late 1957. MGM signed up to release Disney product after the collapse of RKO operations in Australia and in 1958 MGM released Old Yeller and Perri in 1959 along with two featurettes as their first releases in Australia. Now in making this correction I will also like to say a reason has just come to me and I now believe I know the reason behind the daybill not having the RKO logo printed on it. There is a big gap between the daybill released by RKO with the RKO Scope appearing on it and the BEF daybills. The Daybill with the RKO Scope on it would have been for a re-release advertised for RKO Pictures in The Film Weekly Yearbook trade publication in 1958 for RKO just before they ceased operations in Australia. Known Pinocchio posters then seem to jump to 1st of March 1972 when Pinocchio was classified G on 35mm by the Australian censor for release by BEF, and two daybill designs exist with BEF printed on them. For the fourteen years between 1958 and 1972 we appear not to have any posters for Pinocchio, which wouldn't seem probable for such a well known title. This is my educated guess then. When MGM took over distribution of Walt Disney product in 1958 they also gained all unreleased RKO product as well along with the RKO backlog of previously released titles still controlled by RKO. I know The Brain Machine, Tennessee's Partner and some other mainly 1956 and 1957 titles that had not been sold to television in 1955 were retained by MGM. I know for sure all the remaining posters from the RKO vaults ended up at MGM. As there surely was a release by MGM in the 1960's I believe someone at Walt Disney and or MGM came up with the idea to alter an earlier 1940's or 1950's RKO daybill and by removing where the RKO logo was originally placed they produced this poster to release in the 1960's by MGM.
You've already gone from that I was wrong that the logo was a blanked out post printing to it was printed without the logo for a later release, which is what I said, which also then removes your disputed comment - the rest as you say is an educated guess.
What I would agree to is, if there was a re-release in 1962 then it is very possible the non RKO print was for that, but I really have no idea and I wouldn't want Bruce to waste a postage stamp right now.
NEW AMENDED LIST.
8 - Pinocchio
7 - Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Gone With The Wind, Duel
6 - Two Mules for Sister Sara
5 - The Wizard Of Oz, Fantasia, The Guns of Navarone
I dunno what this adds (or doesn't) to the discussion, but I stumbled upon it while searching the bay...at least it is slightly nicer than the fugly daybills!
Yes it was. The history as follows -
The Pit And The Pendulum ( 1961 ) was originally banned in Australia 1961 on horror grounds.
Between 1968 and late 1971 when the R certificate was introduced in Australia the easing of toughness regarding horror films was eased a little in Australia by the censor. The Pit And The Pendulum was submitted by a new Australian distributor Roadshow. In November 1970 the film met the same fate and was once again banned on violence and indecency grounds. Then in December 1970 an appeal was submitted against the rejection but was dismissed by the Review board. Finally in January 1971 a reconstructed version, reduced from 80:49 to 79:35 was passed with a SOA rating. The film would have been released most likely sometime in 1971. There was a duotone Roadshow daybill printed and has beensighted from this Australian release. Ves has an image included in her Vincent Price collection on her website.