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  • 110x75110x75 Member, Sarli Connoisseur Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    The Forty Thousand Horsemen listed as a Belgium Flyer in filmposter.com.au is actually a spanish handbill

  • HONDOHONDO Member, Wizard of Aus Posters Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭✭✭ Elite Collector
    Inside The Straight isn't an Australian half sheet, but it looks like an advertisement from an Australian trade publication to me.

    The two Captain Thunderbolt's aren't U.S.A. lobby card,s but I am certain  they are Australian stills.

    Curious to know some details on the black and white image of Bush Christmas credited as being a daybill. It is from the 1950's. What is the size and is there any printer's credits appearing on the poster?

    A large number of the Australian display material appearing in  the collection is re-release, although none are marked as such.    
         
    A very nice collection you have there and you should be proud of it Andrew.
    Lawrence
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Thanks Lawrence. Good pick up on the Forty Thousand Horsemen Spanish flyer. I have a few copies of these flyers.

    I'm still updating my site. Only put it up a couple of months ago - and have lots more material to add.

    The Inside the Straight is an Australian Half Sheet. I did some research some years ago on the topic. There was a short period in Australia (late 40s) where half sheets were produced. In some cases they were doubled sided - with different advertisements. In the case of Inside the Straight is on an Austalian Half sheet with Sons of Matthew on the other side of the poster. I have only seen one other version - which is in Judith Adamson Australian Film poster book.

    I checked the Captain Thunderbolt items and they are UK Lobby cards.

    Sorry - cannot provide anymore information on the bush christmas (blue and white) day bill. Its the same size a normal daybill. I bought it off a well known australian film dealer (Col Porter) 30 years ago.
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Forget to mention. Robert Burton Pty Ltd is the printer on the Bush Christmas day bill (Blue and White)
  • HONDOHONDO Member, Wizard of Aus Posters Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭✭✭ Elite Collector
    blairo said:
    Thanks Lawrence. Good pick up on the Forty Thousand Horsemen Spanish flyer. I have a few copies of these flyers.

    I'm still updating my site. Only put it up a couple of months ago - and have lots more material to add.

    The Inside the Straight is an Australian Half Sheet. I did some research some years ago on the topic. There was a short period in Australia (late 40s) where half sheets were produced. In some cases they were doubled sided - with different advertisements. In the case of Inside the Straight is on an Austalian Half sheet with Sons of Matthew on the other side of the poster. I have only seen one other version - which is in Judith Adamson Australian Film poster book.

    I checked the Captain Thunderbolt items and they are UK Lobby cards.

    Sorry - cannot provide anymore information on the bush christmas (blue and white) day bill. Its the same size a normal daybill. I bought it off a well known australian film dealer (Col Porter) 30 years ago.
    blairo said:
    Forget to mention. Robert Burton Pty Ltd is the printer on the Bush Christmas day bill (Blue and White)
    Firstly I cannot take credit for the Forty Thousand Horsemen pickup as that was Mathias.

    Sighted from another source, to support my comment above, the Captain Thunderbolt stills were Australian printed and appears were sent to the U.K. to be used in the release there.

    Interesting information on Into the Straight ( I had incorrectly called it Inside the Straight previously ) and Sons Of Matthew printed on the one poster. Both films were released in Australia in 1949 and distributed by Universal. I am not disputing your information to the poster being a theatrical poster that you are calling a half sheet, but what I find interesting is the images for both Into the Straight and Sons of Matthew both are both missing the  Australian For General Exhibition censorship ratings.

    The Bush Christmas duotone daybill is from an Australian re-release that occurred in 1957. It is very rare and I have never sighted this design before. Your mention of Col Porter brings back fond memories of him and the gentleman that he was. 

    Lawrence
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Thanks Lawrence. Col was certainly a great person, knowledgeable, and very kind hearted. He got me into collecting Australian Film posters, and provided me with many early australian pieces. He gave me some good advice - in particular, if you are going to collect movie posters, look at specialising in one area really well. Based on his advice, I selected pre-1970 Australian film posters. That advice was 30 years ago, and I have enjoyed searching and collecting the posters.
  • MattMatt Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 5,087 admin

    Hi Andrew and welcome aboard!

    Do you collect anything other than pre 1970 Aussie film posters?

    Great website btw.

    http://www.filmposter.com.au/

  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    I do have a lot of 1970 and early 1980 Australian film posters - e.g.. Mad Max..
  • MattMatt Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 5,087 admin
  • EisenhowerEisenhower Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 4,047 admin
    Matt said:

    Hi Andrew and welcome aboard!

    Do you collect anything other than pre 1970 Aussie film posters?

    Great website btw.

    http://www.filmposter.com.au/

    Indeed! Very nice website and welcome, Andrew!
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Thanks Mark.. It would be good to start a discussion thread of what Charles Chauvel film posters people have collected.

  • EisenhowerEisenhower Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 4,047 admin
    Just read some Wiki info on Chauvel-had never heard of him-sounds like an interesting person/director. He had a lot of unfinished projects when he died somewhat suddenly. 

    Are his posters rare? I've seen Jedda posted in here quite a bit as an important piece. I've no paper from his directed movies. Wonder if any paper exists of him as an actor as i saw he was an actor in he early 20s.  
  • HONDOHONDO Member, Wizard of Aus Posters Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭✭✭ Elite Collector
    Of the two black and white stills of Captain Thunderbolt that are featured on filmposter.com.au, one is a title still and it has a  white triange printed on it. This triange when used in  any Australian display would have had the Australian censorship rating of ''For general exhibition'' printed inside it, but it appears these cards were printed separately, either here or in England for overseas distribution, including the U.K.
    Lawrence
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Thanks Lawrence. I think the Captain Thunderbolt title still and other still were bought by me at different periods. The title still may have come from Col Porter, and the other still from a US dealer - advertising it as a UK still.
  • MarkMark Member Posts: 592 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    Ves's Aussie collection would have to be the most comprehensive in the world. A real tour through the history of Australian film-making.
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Thanks Mark. Yes - totally agree Vesna's collection is impressive. Very comprehensive.

    I mostly specialise in pre-1970 posters of Australian films, Have been collecting for roughly 30 years.

    Always interested in hearing of other people who collect posters of Australian films. I also have second's on my site if any one wants to trade.
  • MarkMark Member Posts: 592 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    Lot of fun trying to find the missing posters and sometimes discovering different styles and re-releases etc. Those early long daybills are out there somewhere!
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Is there an easy way to upload an image? I want to upload a half sheet of forty thousand horsemen
  • EisenhowerEisenhower Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 4,047 admin
    An image hosting site-Photobucket, Flickr, Imgur, or even Google Photos are all good sites (although PB has stared to charge). 

    Frim the site you copy the images URL then paste in the bar from the image icon above the text box.


     ***others please chime in if my directions aren't good or there are other alternatives as I'm not the most tech savvy person....

  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    edited February 3
    Thanks for the help.

    Here is a recent forty thousand horsemen US half sheet I have purchased:


    I also acquired a US 6 Sheet which I'll put on my collection site:

    http://filmposter.com.au/
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  • EisenhowerEisenhower Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 4,047 admin
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Thanks. I think the 6 Sheet is similar (or the same) as the one which was taken off the Chauvel Cinema inside wall several years ago. The poster was glued to the inside wall. There is a video by the film archives taking it off slowly off the wall:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNkAd7Oi1D4
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    edited February 8
  • BruceBruce Member, Captain Movie Poster Posts: 866 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    Since this is THE Australian poster forum, I am hoping one of you experts can answer this question about this title.

    There is little information available about the U.S. release of Forty Thousand Horsemen. We have seen a single U.S. Universal/Famous Productions lobby card from this movie that is dated 1941, but it is a sepia lobby card. We have also seen a color one-sheet and lobby cards from Goodwill/S.S. Krellberg that are undated. Both IMDB and a knowledgeable collector tell us that Goodwill/S.S. Krellberg were the 1941 U.S. first release studios.

    We know that Universal/Famous Productions distributed the film in Australia and we wonder if perhaps Universal started to release the movie in the U.S. and then decided not to, which would explain why we have only seen the one lobby card (and perhaps they were very lukewarm about it, which would explain the sepia lobby card).

    So WAS there a U.S. Universal release, and if so, did it pre-date or post-date the Krellberg release, and if there wasn't a U.S. release by Universal, then how can we explain the single sepia lobby card that has surfaced!

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  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Great question Bruce.

    Some different Universal lobby cards for Forty Thousand Horsemen are shown on:
    http://www.ozmovies.com.au/movie/forty-thousand-horsemen

    About 25 years ago, I remember going to a old dealers house, and he had a box of US versions for Forty Thousand Horsemen - colour version (by Goodwill/S.S. Krellberg ) and a mono version (Universal) . The mono version was the same as what you had on your site. See:

    https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF1QipOUacj6ZmCmmNJxAVMY3z1zsEpfI1hdrDAaOBQ

    In Charles Chauvel book, it says the film was jointly funded by H. C. McIntyre of Universal Pictures and Hoyts Threatres. It was released through Australia, US, UK, etc. In UK was distributed by the General Film Distributor company.

    Sorry, cannot help you with the date.
  • BruceBruce Member, Captain Movie Poster Posts: 866 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    Thanks much, Blairo.

    Anybody else?
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  • HONDOHONDO Member, Wizard of Aus Posters Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭✭✭ Elite Collector
    edited February 8
    I would, before I comment on this topic, like to see an image of the Universal sepia lobby card dated 1941. So if you would be so kind as to display the image in question here on this thread Bruce, it would be much appreciated.
    Lawrence
  • BruceBruce Member, Captain Movie Poster Posts: 866 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
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  • HONDOHONDO Member, Wizard of Aus Posters Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭✭✭ Elite Collector
    Thanks Bruce but as I was hoping to read the  copyright information on the bottom lower right hand side which is unclear. Are you able to enlarge this information and inform me exactly what is says?
    Lawrence
  • blairoblairo Member Posts: 25 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    The film open in the US in New York in September 1941.

    Is it possible to zoom into the right corner of the lobby card above?
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