Camille (Since We Are On A Roll)

David

Since Lawrence's question has had everyone doing a lot of (excellent) research to uncover the facts it has also turn up a few other things along the way. And so, whilst looking into the Robin Hood Aussie 3SH question I came across the following AU3SH.

Would Lawrence or anyone like to have a crack at dating the Australian 3SH poster below.

It's alongside I've shown it (on the left)alongside the R55 Daybill (on the right). The daybill is printed by W.E Smith, the 3SH doesn't appear to have a printer's mark on it


 


Also a question - has anyone ever seen a US 3SH for this movie?

John

I would guess the 3 sheet is from the 1955 release as the artwork and lettering is so similar to the daybill. 

Maybe we are heading towards a scenario where many Australian posters will be simply described as "undated".

theartofmovieposters

found this...looks to be a re-issue...site says US but not so sure, and not sure of the size.

theartofmovieposters

Oh an in regards to your original post, any reason why they wouldn't be from the same rr?

HONDO

John said:

I would guess the 3 sheet is from the 1955 release as the artwork and lettering is so similar to the daybill. 

Maybe we are heading towards a scenario where many Australian posters will be simply described as "undated".

I would guess also 1955 as the artwork is almost the same as the 1955 Australian daybill. If there had been a printer's credit on the 3 sheet I would have been able to answer the question but seeing there isn't, there isn't any way to definitely know so it is only an educated guess. One thing is definite in that the poster was printed sometime between 1948 and 1956.

Bruce

I see that when I auctioned it in 2003 I guessed that it was "R40s". Since we have learned since that time that the daybill is R55, I will change it to "undated, likely R55", and then email the original buyer from 13 years ago (who I am sure will be surprised), and offer them a full refund including shipping.

Thanks! There are likely tons of other errors in our Auction History from those super old listings, where the correction is right there in front of you. We don't have an experienced employee with enough free time to comb over those looking for the errors, but any time any of you spot any (like this) please also email it to "matt at emovieposter dot com" and we will quickly get them fixed and the buyers emailed. I can't guarantee I will see it if it is solely posted here.

David

Personally I am not one who has time to trawl through your database (or Heritage's) and only happened across this due to the research on the Robin Hood 3SH which Lawrence had raised the question on. I blinked when I saw it because I thought 'that looks exactly like the R55 Daybill'.

Of course you are to be commended for contacting the buyer to offer a full refund, but do you not feel that changing the description of the conditions of sale under which it was originally sold without adding an edit note now changes the perception of the poster (and its value) to future viewers? 

Bruce

We are talking about 13 year old results on not very valuable posters. When it is more recent or more valuable I will be trying to include notes about what occurred. But it is already a massive project (endlessly updating all mistakes), and it brings in no revenue and actually loses me quite a bit (beyond what I lose on refunding).

And remember, the winning bidding DID pay that amount, which absolutely is NOT true in all other similar databases.

John

Bruce, you mentioned that others have a "buyer beware" policy when selling movie posters. Just curious about how that works. Do they actually have to put a disclaimer noting that on each listing?

Bruce

John said:

Bruce, you mentioned that others have a "buyer beware" policy when selling movie posters. Just curious about how that works. Do they actually have to put a disclaimer noting that on each listing?

Each major auction always used to print its "terms of sale" at the beginning of each printed catalog. It was two or more pages filled with fine print, and some of it was pretty surprising, except few people ever read it. There was a standard clause saying the items were auctioned buyer beware, meaning that the auction house only guaranteed the TITLE of each listing, and not the details, so that if the title said "Casablanca poster", their ONLY guarantee was that it WAS a poster from Casablanca, and nothing about the year or condition written below the title was guaranteed, so that if any of it could later be shown to be false, it was not the auction's responsibility.

There were auctions where they printed that consignors and the auction were allowed to bid on their own items, that the "reserve" price could be above the estimates printed in the catalog, etc.

Now, in the digital age, I have no idea where on their websites their "terms of sale" are, because I don't buy from them. But I do know that no auction (other than my own) states in writing on their site that they give a lifetime warranty that every item they auction is from the release they say it is, and that they will provide a full refund, no matter how long after the sale it is. I also go the extra mile in tracking down and contacting those buyers where mistakes were made, rather than waiting for them to discover what occurred, which is a huge difference.

The auction business is barely regulated in any way. Search the Internet for auction fraud, and you will find lots of high profile cases that are pretty shocking.

John

Thanks for the information Bruce. I wonder what sort of disclaimer they have on ebay. Past auction results are hidden after a short time so that would make it difficult for a buyer to go back and question something. An example would be where someone purchased a poster and only found out that it was not genuine a year or so after the purchase. They wouldn't be able to see the listing let alone question the seller. I guess ebay just says that all transactions are between buyer and seller and nothing to do with them!

Bruce

eBay hid behind its "we're only a venue" defense for many years. Then they were successfully sued by Tiffany's and others. That is why they are rapidly purging the site of items without ISBN numbers. I would not be surprised if they have no vintage posters left after a few more years.

Charlie

I think at the end of the day one has to really consider that they are Australian posters and why weren't they just thrown away...

David

hahaha.

wait.