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Bleach Formula Questions

I've had mixed results bleaching posters with what I think is a 0.05 calcium hypochlorite Ca(ClO)2 solution. I dilute calcium hypochlorite (68%) by mixing 2.0g with 1000ml distilled water.  I know I need to get better at understanding the math (dilution rate is based on Ca(ClO)2 strength) but I'm thinking I'm ranging from a 0.03 to 0.05% solution.

I spray a liberal amount of the bleach on both sides of the poster.  The poster rests in the solution for five-minutes between Mylar sheets.  I rinse using tap water (our water is somewhat hard) and then I wash both sides with Ca(OH)2 followed by a final rinse with distilled water.

For those of you more experienced with bleaching,  can you check my dilution math and/ or perhaps offer the mix you're using (grams per ml water)?

In some cases,  results are satisfactory with the mix I'm using.  In other cases,  especially those with fairly decent toning,  I only see marginal lightening of the toned areas.  Colors/ ink generally improved as expected. 

I'm wondering if my solution is too weak or if I need to prolong the bleaching time from five-minutes to 7-8 minutes based on poster condition.

As always,  thanks in advance for your thoughts and comments!
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  • Are you deacidifying it first? I found that I got better results after I had deacidified it first.  If you are going straight to bleach - well I remember a reason to deacidify first but I can't recall.
  • Charlie said:
    Are you deacidifying it first? I found that I got better results after I had deacidified it first.  If you are going straight to bleach - well I remember a reason to deacidify first but I can't recall.
    Yes.  Deacidifying first.  
  • How do you deacidfy? Is this just a spray on product?
  • Duke said:
    How do you deacidfy? Is this just a spray on product?
    I mix up Calcium Hydroxide (Ca(OH)2) with distilled water as described by Charlie and Mark (Eisenhower) in a number of threads on this site.

    Here's the basic description (search the site for more detail) for the mix:

    Measure out 2g of the powder on the scale and mix with 1 liter of deionized water.  Let it sit overnight, preferably 12 hours so the solution can reach equilibrium.  This one liter of solution is concentrated and will need to be diluted by another 1 liter of water. Any of the CaOH that doesn't mix with the water is basically still powder and settles at the bottom - I gently stir up the top part of the solution but leave the particulates at the bottom.  Then I gently poor the mixed solution into the new container (leaving the remaining solid at the bottom) and then add the additional 1 liter of water.  After you mix the solution a bit more it is ready to use.

    To deacidify,  I use the "Mylar sheet" method.  

    I place the poster face up on a sheet of Mylar and using a dollar store,  Lowes,  Home depot spray bottle,  I douse (and I mean douse) the poster with the Ca(OH)2 mix.  I place another sheet of Mylar on top of the side of the poster I just sprayed (the poster is now in a Mylar "sandwich").  

    Next,  I flip the poster,  remove the top Mylar sheet and and spray the other side (back side of the poster).

    You'll see folds and creases start to relax.  While you can do it later,  I VERY GENTLY start to work out the folds,  creases,  etc.  Again,  be very gentle,  when the paper is this wet,  it tears easily.  I work out the creases and folds from the back side because it's easier for me to see the fold lines and creases.

    After I work out the major creases and folds,  I place the Mylar sheet back on the poster (it's now sandwiched between Mylar sheets again) and I let it rest for 30-minutes.

    After 30-minutes,  I rinse the entire poster thoroughly using tap water.  My water is somewhat hard.  It acts as a buffer.

    You'll find other ways to do deacidify here and on other sites.  This method works well for me.  As other know,  the deacidification process does a fair job at removing dirt, small stains,  etc. and generally brightens up a poster while protecting it as well.

     


  • What is the thickness of Mylar that you use?
  • Duke said:
    What is the thickness of Mylar that you use?
    0.005
  • Thank you 
  • You then make sure the poster is completely dried before mounting?
  • What is the general feeling of only conservation of a poster versus restoration?
  • The posterfix guy uses a paste to fill in paper lips. Is this a true restoration or conservation process? If so does anyone know the recipe for the paste?
  • Duke said:
    You then make sure the poster is completely dried before mounting?
    The posters I mount are wet when I apply them to the Masa or Mulberry.  I spray both sides of the poster with distilled water before mounting it to the board.  Prior to carrying the poster to the board,  I leave the poster face down on Mylar and then work out folds, creases,  ripples,  etc.  

    You'll find the poster sticks to the Mylar.

    After I've worked out all the major creases and folds,  I carry the poster (it's still clinging to the Mylar) over the the mounting board (I've already applied the wheat paste).  Next,  I roll the poster out very slowly onto the board making sure I don't create any new folds or wrinkles.

    You may end up with some small air pockets or wavy areas of the poster when it's on the Masa.  Once I have the poster completely on the board,  I place a CLEAN Mylar sheet on top of the poster and from the center of the poster to the edges,  I work the air pockets,  small ripples and excess wheat paste out to the edge of the board.

    As I've mentioned,  you'll see Posterfix Chris use sponges and/ or squeegees directly on the poster to ensure all the air pockets are removed and the poster if flat to the Masa.  I've never had success with this technique.  The ink smears when I've tired it - especially on a poster that's been bleached.

    That said,  the process I described works well for me.  I've seen some spray down Masa or a poster and just walk it over to the mounting board.  There's a number of techniques used to mount the poster to the board and a number of ways to remove air pockets and such.  I've found one of the keys to this is to develop a process and technique and work to continuously improve it.  I hacked up a few posters but they were cheap since I had to go through the learning curve like others here (am I'm still learning).

    Follow Charlie and Mark's tips and ping them for advice.  They've always been quick to help me.
  • Wheat starch adhesive recipe is found on the Talas supply website for buying the uncooked wheat starch. Its a 4/1 ration of water to wheat starch; one cup goes a long way. Mix in a bowl, let set for an hour to allow the wheat starch to soak into the water; then place in pan on medium heat and as it begins to thicken; lower temps; total time of heating from liquid to thick somewhat translucent "adhesive" is about 20 mins. Allow it to cool in teh pan; then refrigerate over night, use the next day; place "clumps" into a blender and use distilled  water to create a consistency of "runny honey" to quote Charlie. 
     *allow a poster to dry to about 75/80% dry before applying the adhesive and laying the poster down on the masa; otherwise too much water creates more noticeable  fold lines which is everything when laying down one sheets. 
  • Thank you I understand.
    hie are holes filled?
  • holes or missing paper can be filled with either similar pieces of paper which are glued in place or you can use a methylcellulose mixture to infill, sand then paint/pencil color over to match. 
  • Which acid free paper are you using Charlie, and what thickness?
  • Acid free paper for what use?
  • Never mind I was working on an sop for linen backing.
  • Anyone have a good video on wet work?
  • Does anyone have a working receive for the paste fill?
  • Do you use Holytex or Mylar to make a sandwich for bleaching and cleaning? What thickness or number?
  • This is an area that is confusing to me. The calcium hydroxide is used both for deacidfy, and bleaching?
  • Step 1:  Deacidification with Calcium Hydroxide (Raises pH & give poster some alkalinity) 30 min
    Step 2:  Bleach with Calcium Hypochlorite (Reaction with substances in paper such as albumin, sizing, chromophores and etc. create chloramines and more acidic environment) As Desired
    Step 3:  Spray Acetic Acid to neutralize any unreacted chlorine and chloramines creating hydrochloric acid. 5 Minutes
    Step 4:  Deacidify the poster again with Calcium Hydroxide (you actually see solid Calcium Chloride leaving the poster)
  • This is great info. One question what do you use for step 3?
     Thank you 
  • Also who do buy calcium hypochlorite from?
  • This sounds like it would be a good topic to hold a live Q + A on, as there seem to be a few new members interested in the same...
  • Duke said:
    Also who do buy calcium hypochlorite from?
    You can buy it from a chem place or pool supply but the key is to get one with high available chlorine. Note it will come with attached salts but the chlorine does the work. Salts wash out. You will have to use trial and error to determine the strength and time of soak. I can’t stress enough how you can literally melt a poster. I’ve done it where it turns out perfect and done it where the poster delaminates and image floats away. It will weaken the paper. You have to wash until you are blue in the face. A little most won’t do. 

    There are other options out there too. 
  • This sounds like it would be a good topic to hold a live Q + A on, as there seem to be a few new members interested in the same...
    That could be fun…
  • What is acidic acid spray and where do you get it.
  • Have you used Clorox dilution solution to bleach?
  • Just watched a video that the conservator used ammonia in the distilled water to remove stains? Has anyone tried this approach to remove stains and improve the color?
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