New walt disney mickey mouse long daybill

HumphreyBogart

The New walt disney mickey mouse long daybill is currently been auctioned on emovieposter in their major auction. Anyone know if there is a colour version of this poster and is it date-ted correct?

John

Its an unusual poster. No printers details at all. I will be interested to hear Hondo's thoughts on this one.

HONDO

Sorry I am starting to battle a cold at the moment so I will be brief.

As far as I know Disney cartoons were distributed by United Artists starting in 1932 and stopping in 1937 but this can be narrowed down to the poster being printed  between 1933 and 1935. The name Joseph M. Schenck & United Artists appears on the daybill and his Twentieth Century company releases were distributed by United Artists  starting in 1933 and ending in 1935 when Twentieth Century merged with the Fox company to form Twentieth Century Fox where Joseph M. Schenck ended up. We now have narrowed it down to be 1933, 1934 or 1935.My opinion is it would be 1933 that the poster would have been printed due to the fact The New Walt Disney Mickey Mouse is printed on the poster and the distribution had been taken over from Columbia Pictures in 1933. Seening we were a little behind the U.S. in those days it could have even been 1934. That's the beast I can do while I am still thinking clearly.

Hondo

David

In terms of Walt Disney films, The Whoopee Party was released in the USA in September 1932 by United Artists and I believe was the first to be titled as Joseph M. Schenck presents prior to that they were titled Columbia Pictures presents. 

As an aside, another Joseph M. Schenck presents was Steamboat Bill, Jnr (non Disney film) which was released by Celebrity Productions who coincidentally also released Disney's Steamboat Willy and his first ever movie Plane Crazy (1928), Celebrity Productions would also release a number of Disney's movies through to about 1930 including the first Silly Symphonies series which ultimately Joseph M. Schenck would also present.

One of Joesph M Schneck's more famous productions (in terms of the poster) is Buster Keaton's The General (1926), an exceedingly wonderful and most desired 1SH poster by Alvin 'Hap' Hadley who you can read about here.

But I digress...the bulk of Mickey Mouse shorts that would likely warrant a stock poster started in the USA from around 1932/33, and probably the earliest you can date a Joseph M. Schenck presentation of a Disney film in Australia would be 1933/34 (as Hondo has mentioned), so in a long winded and somewhat boring way I'd agree the earliest you could date that poster would be 1934; however, I'm inclined to err of the side of safety and say 1935 simply because the volume of Mickey films in this country didn't really start until 1935.

A little Trivia Pursuit, Joseph M. Schenck was married to one Norma Talmadge (from 1916–34, although they separated in 1927), she was in her day an absolute mega star; anyway, the story goes that in 1926 Norma was out walking and accidentally stepped in some wet concrete and in doing so became the first celebrity to be immortalised outside Grauman's Chinese Theatre.

Oh, and I doubt there was a colour version of the poster. 

:-B

HONDO

David said:

In terms of Walt Disney films, The Whoopee Party was released in the USA in September 1932 by United Artists and I believe was the first to be titled as Joseph M. Schenck presents prior to that they were titled Columbia Pictures presents. 

But I digress...the bulk of Mickey Mouse shorts that would likely warrant a stock poster started in the USA from around 1932/33, and probably the earliest you can date a Joseph M. Schenck presentation of a Disney film in Australia would be 1933/34 (as Hondo has mentioned), so in a long winded and somewhat boring way I'd agree the earliest you could date that poster would be 1934; however, I'm inclined to err of the side of safety and say 1935 simply because the volume of Mickey films in this country didn't really start until 1935.

The following advertisement was from the Camberdown Chronicle in Victoria dated Saturday 20 May 1933.

We have narrowed down  by all  the facts  that the stock poster would have had to be printed in either 1933, 1934 or 1935. David thinks 1935 and I think 1934 due to the popularity of the Walt Disney cartoons in Australia and also on the 31st of May 1935 Joseph M Schenck was with the new company 20th Century Fox and with negotiations taking place well before this I doubt if United Artists would be promoting Joseph M. Schenck's name on posters so close to him having already left or about to leave his involvement with his 20th Century Pictures who  released the  Disney films through United artists but one thing is we most likely will never know the exact year. By the way eMovieposter dates the poster as circa 1932.

Also not aware of a colour version of the poster.

Hondo

David

In 1933 Joseph M Schenck partnered with Darryl F. Zanuck to create 20th Century Pictures (that merged with Fox Film Corporation in 1935) however movies were being released as Joseph M. Schenck presents as early as 1934 in Australia on the combined ticket of United Artists and 20th Century.

The Silly Symphonies were the dominant Disney pictures of 1933 and it is almost impossible to find where there was an actual Joseph M. Schenck presents a Mickey Mouse film of any sort in 1933 or earlier, so EMP dating the poster as circa 1932 cannot be accurate.

There a number of times where a Mickey Mouse film was advertised as being on the undercard of a major (grown ups) film which was presented by Joseph M. Schenck, but I only found this once in 1934 and multiple times in 1935.

I think it is fair to say it is impossible to be 100% sure, so IMHO a description of circa 1934/35 would be acceptable.

HONDO

Circa 1934/35 it is then.

Hondo

HumphreyBogart

Good work Hondo and David!

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Regardless of the date one thing is for certain - someone found a nice big stack of them

David

HumphreyBogart said:

Good work Hondo and David!

CSM said:

Regardless of the date one thing is for certain - someone found a nice big stack of them

Another title about to get butchered in price...

HumphreyBogart

CSM said:

Regardless of the date one thing is for certain - someone found a nice big stack of them

What makes you say that?

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HumphreyBogart said:

CSM said:

Regardless of the date one thing is for certain - someone found a nice big stack of them

What makes you say that?

Look how many Bruce has auctioned in the last few years:

http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/NEW%20WALT%20DISNEY%20MICKEY%20MOUSE/country/Australian/archive.html

HumphreyBogart

I see. Some could be the same copies auctioned again maybe.. I noticed this with the damaged Glass key daybills emovie has been auctioning, someone must of found a big stack of them too.

David

HumphreyBogart said:

I see. Some could be the same copies auctioned again maybe.. I noticed this with the damaged Glass key daybills emovie has been auctioning, someone must of found a big stack of them too.

Or just more off the top of the stack? Look what sadly happened with the dumping of the Down to Earth.

HumphreyBogart

Yep Down to earth is another one.

HONDO

The good news is there are more multiples out there and down the track collectors will be able to obtain some desirable titles at reasonable prices but the bad news of course is, it must be painful for anyone would spent up big years ago thinking a poster was rare when in fact it now turns out it isn't.

Hondo

David

True collectors don't buy on the basis of a price increase but they sure don't like seeing pieces they may have spent a long time looking for and a lot of money securing only to see it getting dumped like that either. 

John

A lot of the Australian posters that have been auctioned recently at emovieposter came from the Hayden Orpheum at Cremorne in Sydney. There was a large collection ranging from long daybills to 60s titles and some truly great posters amongst them. The collector who purchased most of them passed away recently and his collection was sold off. He had a truly incredible collection and the Australian posters were only a very small part of it. Another person also purchased a large chunk of the posters and I ended up with a lot of them. From what I hear, most of the Australian stuff from the Orpheum  collections have been sold. It was interesting to see how posters like Down to Earth maintained their prices despite quite a few copies turning up.

HumphreyBogart

Interesting read John. When was everything sold off from the deceased estate? So most of the Australian posters went to emovie poster?

John

Some went to emovieposter, some to Heritage and others dispersed elsewhere. He also had an amazing collection of travel posters.

HONDO

A great deal of the posters were spoiled  ( In  my opinion ) with the Orpheum related snipes that were attached.

Would you like to attempt John to give a ballpark estimate at how many had stickers attached?

Last year I had a look at about 200 daybill title,s mainly all from Columbia & BEF, which was only a small percentage of the total posters that were in the package. Amont them were two rare Columbia Fritz Lang Human Desire daybills which were really spoilt by each one having a large snipe saying in large print Columbia Pictures Present posted in the body of the poster for some unknown reason. Any thoughts on why these posters which came from Columbia Pictures vaults had the stickers attached. I have an idea but would like to hear from anyone else about why this was done.

Hondo 

John

Some of the posters certainly had snipes but I would say that most didn't.. The owner of the collection didn't really rate Australian posters and I think most of them took second place to the Italian and American posters that he had.