Just looking at some of my records and I have noticed the there was a re-release daybill of The Adventures Of Robin Hood produced by Southern Studios and printed by F. Cunninghame. I sighted and recorded the information many years ago but it looks like I didn't keep an image. Pity as I would like to see it now
Just looking at some of my records and I have noticed the there was a re-release daybill of The Adventures Of Robin Hood produced by Southern Studios and printed by F. Cunninghame. I sighted and recorded the information many years ago but it looks like I didn't keep an image. Pity as I would like to see it now
Is that not the one we auctioned in 2003 or so? If so, I located and added the image.
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Just looking at some of my records and I have noticed the there was a re-release daybill of The Adventures Of Robin Hood produced by Southern Studios and printed by F. Cunninghame. I sighted and recorded the information many years ago but it looks like I didn't keep an image. Pity as I would like to see it now
Is that not the one we auctioned in 2003 or so? If so, I located and added the image.
I couldn't find it. Could you post the image here?
3 Warner Bros logos, 1939-1941, by three different printers. Two 1 Sheets and a Daybill - no 3 Sheets. Two you could argue are the same just coloured in - I've got others that are different but I'll have to photograph them, and time is the problem there.
I have also had a look through Everyone's Film Weekly trade magazines from the era. There are quite a few different Warner Bros logos shown which must indicate that there was no hard and fast rule that they had to follow. That leads to the question why Victory Publicity would exclusively put Warner Brothers Pictures Inc across the shield on some of their posters and when did they start doing that?
The top logo appeared on three RKO Radio releases in the late 1930s. Wise Girl released in Australia in around June,1938, Having Wonderful Time in November,1938 and A Damsel In Distress also in 1938. The same logo appeared on three other RKO Radio releases in Australia in the very early 1940s. The films being Mr.& Mrs. Smith released in 1941 and Dumbo and The Little Foxes in 1942. Note the Sydney & Melbourne on the logo. Does the two 3 sheets of The Adventures Of Robin Hood and The Sea Hawk have this logo that was used in Australia between 1938 and 1942 on them?
The bottom logo with the VP on it first appeared around 1944 on Australian posters. This logo is what appears on the two 3 sheets in dispute credited as being from 1938.
Of interest also is prior to 1938 an Australian one sheet of Sweet Aloes from Warner Bros. was released in Australia in 1936 and has Victory Publicity Litho on one line and unboxed and also there is an Australian one sheet of A Woman Rebels from RKO Radio released in Australia in 1937 with the following unboxed wording appearing on it. Lithographed In Australia By Victory Publicity Sydney And Melbourne. This earlier version doesn't have the word ''printed'' on it that appears on the later 1938 to 1942 version pictured above.
I have also had a look through Everyone's Film Weekly trade magazines from the era. There are quite a few different Warner Bros logos shown which must indicate that there was no hard and fast rule that they had to follow. That leads to the question why Victory Publicity would exclusively put Warner Brothers Pictures Inc across the shield on some of their posters and when did they start doing that?
After extensive research especially since this thread opened this is what I have found.
Daybills printed by Hackett Offset Print the preferred printer of Warner Bros. posters in 1940 into 1941 had the Warner Bros. only wording across the shield appearing on them. The last daybill located with this style of logo from Hackett that I have managed to locate at this point of time is Invitation To A Murder ( aka Flight From Destiny ) which was released in Australia in early 1941. I also have an image of an Australian press sheet of Footsteps In The Night which also has just the Warner Bros style logo appearing on it from its Australian first release around mid 1941. It appears around late1941 Hackett stopped printing Warner Bros. posters and Marchant & Co, replaced them as preferred printer. The only Marchant & Co. poster I have located with Warner Bros. only printed on it is an Australian one sheet of Strawberry Blonde from circa August 1941.Shortly after that on Daybills and one sheet the logo that appeared on Marchant & Co. posters was the Warner Bros. Pictures Inc logo shield. A few years later when Victory Publicity took over as preferred printer from Marchant & Co. they stuck with the Warner Bros. Pictures Inc. logo until the early 1950s when W.E.Smith replaced them and changed over to the plain Warner Bros wording only shield logo.
One thing I would like to point out though is a Warner Bros. one sheet from circa August 1941 printed early in the time Marchant & Co. took over the Warner Bros. printers role has Warner Bros. only shield but appears to have been replaced shortly after and the Warner Bros. Pictures logo then appeared on one sheets from then on.
Other posters printed in the 1940s and 1950s which were mainly, but not exclusively re-releases, by F. Cunninghame appear to have used the plain Warner Bros shield logo including on The Adventures Of Robin Hood re-release daybill poster Bruce has recently posted an image of.
Other posters printed in the 1940s and 1950s which were mainly, but not exclusively re-releases, by F. Cunninghame appear to have used the plain Warner Bros shield logo including on The Adventures Of Robin Hood re-release daybill poster Bruce has recently posted an image of.
The plain shield WB logo image that I posted above (and below) was from 1939 printed by W.E Smith on an original 1SH, not a re-release
The top logo appeared on three RKO Radio releases in the late 1930s. Wise Girl released in Australia in around June,1938, Having Wonderful Time in November,1938 and A Damsel In Distress also in 1938. The same logo appeared on three other RKO Radio releases in Australia in the very early 1940s.
Doesn't prove much I'm afraid.
This appears on the 1939 1SH for Cadet Girls a picture by 20th Century Fox
So from the mid 40s onwards, the Victory Publicity logo with the VP on it appears on just about everything they print (daybills, one sheets - maybe even 3 sheets ). So to me it seems once they settled on it, they slapped it on everything.
But there is not even one other example of that VP logo on ANYTHING prior to the mid 1940s?
I would think if that logo was in circulation for Victory in the late 30s it would have turned up on at least something else...
Other posters printed in the 1940s and 1950s which were mainly, but not exclusively re-releases, by F. Cunninghame appear to have used the plain Warner Bros shield logo including on The Adventures Of Robin Hood re-release daybill poster Bruce has recently posted an image of.
The plain shield WB logo image that I posted above (and below) was from 1939 printed by W.E Smith on an original 1SH, not a re-release
An image please so I have a right of reply on this poster?
The top logo appeared on three RKO Radio releases in the late 1930s. Wise Girl released in Australia in around June,1938, Having Wonderful Time in November,1938 and A Damsel In Distress also in 1938. The same logo appeared on three other RKO Radio releases in Australia in the very early 1940s.
Doesn't prove much I'm afraid.
This appears on the 1939 1SH for Cadet Girls a picture by 20th Century Fox
The same logo appeared on three other RKO Radio releases in Australia in the very early 1940s.
Which three?
Are you referring to a film starring Carole Landis and George Montgomery which is actually called Cadet Girl released by 20th Century Fox and released in the U.S.A. on 28 / 11 / 1941 and in Australian in 1942? The logo appearing is right for this time.
The three I referred to were listed by me earlier this morning.
I can also add that the same Victory Publicity logo also appeared on the AU1SH Cheers for Miss Bishop (1941) a movie by United Artists.
The poster appears to have been printed in 1940.
Released in the U.S.A. 21 / 2 / 1941 and Australia not long after. There is a United Artists Hopalong Cassidy one sheet from 1943 called Riders Of The Deadline with the same logo. Later Hopalong Cassidy one sheets from 1947 and 1948 have the later logo , as expected, on them.
So from the mid 40s onwards, the Victory Publicity logo with the VP on it appears on just about everything they print (daybills, one sheets - maybe even 3 sheets ). So to me it seems once they settled on it, they slapped it on everything.
But there is not even one other example of that VP logo on ANYTHING prior to the mid 1940s?
I would think if that logo was in circulation for Victory in the late 30s it would have turned up on at least something else...
Summed it up beautifully Ves. A fact now is we have Warner Bros, 20th Century Fox and United Artists posters all having the pre 1944 logo without the VP in a black circle on them appearing on films released from between 1938 and 1942. I have sighted numerous one sheet posters from this period and guess what? Not a logo in the form it appears on the 3 sheet posters anywhere to be seen.
Thanks for suggesting this Sven. I have searched for information in the past and they seem to keep material on mainly Australian films but nevertheless I will contact them again.
Before the logo with VP in a black circle preceding Victory Publicity Pty Ltd in a box was introduced in the mid 1940s there appears to have been a few other logos used in the early 1940s as shown above.
The top logo on 20th Century Fox and United Artists posters. The Victory Publicity Pty.Ltd. Melb. logo on Warner Bros. posters. The Litho by Victory Publicity Pty. Ltd. Melb.found on one United Artists one sheet from 1945. Also a Warner Bros. daybill with Victory Publicity Pty.Ltd. Melb. Syd. on the one line and unboxed from 1946 found. All other posters found from 1945 onwards had changed over to the last logo showing above. One exception was a daybill printed for RKO Radio for the title Escape To Burma in 1955 with only Victory Publicitty Litho printed on the poster ( unboxed ). One sheets and 3 sheets in the 1950s that I have sighted, apart from this daybill, all have the logo just above printed on them.
I guess I still remain on the fence, certainly the circumstantial evidence is there but without comparable 3Sheets from the time period in question I for one am not ready to tar and feather anyone over this, and it's been a while since we had a good old fashion tar n' feathering...
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When is the earliest known usage of the exact "Victory Publicity" rectangular text block (other than on the disputed posters)?
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3 Warner Bros logos, 1939-1941, by three different printers. Two 1 Sheets and a Daybill - no 3 Sheets. Two you could argue are the same just coloured in - I've got others that are different but I'll have to photograph them, and time is the problem there.
The top logo appeared on three RKO Radio releases in the late 1930s. Wise Girl released in Australia in around June,1938, Having Wonderful Time in November,1938 and A Damsel In Distress also in 1938. The same logo appeared on three other RKO Radio releases in Australia in the very early 1940s. The films being Mr.& Mrs. Smith released in 1941 and Dumbo and The Little Foxes in 1942. Note the Sydney & Melbourne on the logo. Does the two 3 sheets of The Adventures Of Robin Hood and The Sea Hawk have this logo that was used in Australia between 1938 and 1942 on them?
The bottom logo with the VP on it first appeared around 1944 on Australian posters. This logo is what appears on the two 3 sheets in dispute credited as being from 1938.
Of interest also is prior to 1938 an Australian one sheet of Sweet Aloes from Warner Bros. was released in Australia in 1936 and has Victory Publicity Litho on one line and unboxed and also there is an Australian one sheet of A Woman Rebels from RKO Radio released in Australia in 1937 with the following unboxed wording appearing on it. Lithographed In Australia By Victory Publicity Sydney And Melbourne. This earlier version doesn't have the word ''printed'' on it that appears on the later 1938 to 1942 version pictured above.
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After extensive research especially since this thread opened this is what I have found.
Daybills printed by Hackett Offset Print the preferred printer of Warner Bros. posters in 1940 into 1941 had the Warner Bros. only wording across the shield appearing on them. The last daybill located with this style of logo from Hackett that I have managed to locate at this point of time is Invitation To A Murder ( aka Flight From Destiny ) which was released in Australia in early 1941. I also have an image of an Australian press sheet of Footsteps In The Night which also has just the Warner Bros style logo appearing on it from its Australian first release around mid 1941. It appears around late1941 Hackett stopped printing Warner Bros. posters and Marchant & Co, replaced them as preferred printer. The only Marchant & Co. poster I have located with Warner Bros. only printed on it is an Australian one sheet of Strawberry Blonde from circa August 1941.Shortly after that on Daybills and one sheet the logo that appeared on Marchant & Co. posters was the Warner Bros. Pictures Inc logo shield. A few years later when Victory Publicity took over as preferred printer from Marchant & Co. they stuck with the Warner Bros. Pictures Inc. logo until the early 1950s when W.E.Smith replaced them and changed over to the plain Warner Bros wording only shield logo.
One thing I would like to point out though is a Warner Bros. one sheet from circa August 1941 printed early in the time Marchant & Co. took over the Warner Bros. printers role has Warner Bros. only shield but appears to have been replaced shortly after and the Warner Bros. Pictures logo then appeared on one sheets from then on.
Other posters printed in the 1940s and 1950s which were mainly, but not exclusively re-releases, by F. Cunninghame appear to have used the plain Warner Bros shield logo including on The Adventures Of Robin Hood re-release daybill poster Bruce has recently posted an image of.
This appears on the 1939 1SH for Cadet Girls a picture by 20th Century Fox
Which three?
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The poster appears to have been printed in 1940.
1SH vs 3SH, all we have is plenty examples of the former from that period.
So from the mid 40s onwards, the Victory Publicity logo with the VP on it appears on just about everything they print (daybills, one sheets - maybe even 3 sheets
). So to me it seems once they settled on it, they slapped it on everything.
But there is not even one other example of that VP logo on ANYTHING prior to the mid 1940s?
I would think if that logo was in circulation for Victory in the late 30s it would have turned up on at least something else...
Absolutely, except it was part of the floorboard find which only had posters from '39-'42
An image please so I have a right of reply on this poster?
Are you referring to a film starring Carole Landis and George Montgomery which is actually called Cadet Girl released by 20th Century Fox and released in the U.S.A. on 28 / 11 / 1941 and in Australian in 1942? The logo appearing is right for this time.
The three I referred to were listed by me earlier this morning.
Released in the U.S.A. 21 / 2 / 1941 and Australia not long after. There is a United Artists Hopalong Cassidy one sheet from 1943 called Riders Of The Deadline with the same logo. Later Hopalong Cassidy one sheets from 1947 and 1948 have the later logo , as expected, on them.
Summed it up beautifully Ves. A fact now is we have Warner Bros, 20th Century Fox and United Artists posters all having the pre 1944 logo without the VP in a black circle on them appearing on films released from between 1938 and 1942. I have sighted numerous one sheet posters from this period and guess what? Not a logo in the form it appears on the 3 sheet posters anywhere to be seen.
It is all 3 sheets Ves I have sighted to date.
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Thanks for suggesting this Sven. I have searched for information in the past and they seem to keep material on mainly Australian films but nevertheless I will contact them again.
Where is a time machine when you need it?
The top logo on 20th Century Fox and United Artists posters. The Victory Publicity Pty.Ltd. Melb. logo on Warner Bros. posters. The Litho by Victory Publicity Pty. Ltd. Melb.found on one United Artists one sheet from 1945. Also a Warner Bros. daybill with Victory Publicity Pty.Ltd. Melb. Syd. on the one line and unboxed from 1946 found. All other posters found from 1945 onwards had changed over to the last logo showing above. One exception was a daybill printed for RKO Radio for the title Escape To Burma in 1955 with only Victory Publicitty Litho printed on the poster ( unboxed ). One sheets and 3 sheets in the 1950s that I have sighted, apart from this daybill, all have the logo just above printed on them.