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HONDO

dedeposter said:

Without even checking...were the co-stars different for "Magic Fountain"?

Yes.

HONDO

HONDO said:

dedeposter said:

Without even checking...were the co-stars different for "Magic Fountain"?

Yes.

  And a different actor who played Tarzan as well. The original Tarzan's Magic Fountain daybill included below.

dedeposter

HONDO said:

  And a different actor who played Tarzan as well. 

Ah, just a minor discrepancy then!

HONDO

dedeposter said

Ah, just a minor discrepancy then!

 :

HONDO

HONDO said:

 

An original Australian daybill of Tarzan's Three Challenges (1963), and the same style daybill with an altered film title for an earlier released Tarzan film Tarzan's Magic Fountain  from 1949. Any thoughts regarding this?

As no other comments, apart from Peters have been received I will now reveal my thoughts on this subject.

You will notice the film's title alteration artwork  has been done professionally, so surely eliminating any theatre owners involvement.

My thinking is that MGM made the alteration. The original Tarzan's Magic Fountain film was released in Australian by RKO Radio Pictures. When RKO ceased operations In Australia in the very late 1950.s any unreleased product and the back catalogue of films were taken over for Australian release by MGM. MGM would appear to have released RKO films from the late 1950's and continuing into the 1960's Following below are two MGM produced posters for the original RKO film Tarzan And The Leopard Woman from the 1940's that was re-released in Australia by MGM.



 

Where there any other RKO 1940's and 1950's Tarzan films re-released by MGM in Australia, and if so also had duotone posters printed for them?

My thinking was there any duotone posters originally printed for the MGM 1960's re-release of Tarzan's Magic Fountain? If this was the case did they run out of them and MGM then promptly altered the Tarzan's Three Challenges daybill to fill the void left?.  My other thinking is that was the Tarzan's Three  Challenges altered poster the sole produced poster? If this was the case it would have been a very unprofessional decision to do this. 

HONDO

 The following are two images taken at the World Premier of Bitter Springs in Adelaide in 1950.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              (The Film Weekly / NFSA)
West Theatre Adelaide.

(The Film Weekly / NFSA)
Children from the Somerton Crippled Childrens home on a Pioneer Tour coach that was conveying them to the premiere screening.

dedeposter

Inmates?

HONDO

dedeposter said:

Inmates?

Yes, and I almost made a comment about this myself.
A dictionary meaning is '' A person who is confirmed to an institution such as a prison or hospital''.In this period of time we surely think only of the word referring to those in prison.

dedeposter

Yes, times have changed...for the better.

HONDO

Originally posted in the Newcastle Sun newspaper 24 October 1952.

The above deal I do find amusing. Fast tracking to the American release of Mad Max (1979) in 1980. an alternative dubbed version was screened there. 

If they had thought that the American audiences would have struggled with the Australian dialogue and slang in Mas Max, boy how then would American audiences have coped with the 1930's and 1940's film's Australian dialogue and slang, particularly with the Dad And Dave titles?
  

HONDO

I have just noticed on Google that an advertised U.S. one sheet is listed as having the shipping to Australia by Fed Ex International economy to be that of.U.S, #131.75 / Aus. $201.58. All I can say is WOW!

Rick

All i can say is...no!

theartofmovieposters

Postage to and from the US but especially from is ridiculous...pretty soon wont be able to buy or sell anything to them.

Bruce

theartofmovieposters said:

Postage to and from the US but especially from is ridiculous...pretty soon wont be able to buy or sell anything to them.

It is so very sad. The worst of it is that the shipping companies make record profits, because they endlessly raise prices at the same time they give worse and worse service.

16 weeks of Pay and Hold helps offset the blow for frequent buyers, but there is no hope for those looking to buy or sell a single poster.

HONDO

There are conflicting views by various sources as to what items should be classified as being either an Australian herald or a flyer.
 Any definition of what qualifies various items to be classified as being one or the other? I would like to hear any thoughts on this subject.

John

HONDO said:

There are conflicting views by various sources as to what items should be classified as being either an Australian herald or a flyer.
 Any definition of what qualifies various items to be classified as being one or the other? I would like to hear any thoughts on this subject.

That's a good question. Early Australian pressbooks referred to Heralds and "Couriers" that were available to cinema owners. The attached came fromthe GWTW pressbook and included what most people would describe as a herald but it is referred to as a "Courier"

Rick

I thought heralds were folded, flyers just font and/or reverse image and not folded.

HONDO

I have just discovered an early thread titled Movie Heralds that David had included here on the forum in June 2015.

You may find interesting the following information that he had included in the thread. Presented exactly as originally included there.

''Often sent ahead by the distributor and/or in the travelling pictures show that was bringing the film to town, sometimes printed locally sometimes printed by the films distributor, they were free handouts, they were small (no bigger than an A4 or Letter (U.S.) size) to announce (herald) the arrival of a movie usually printed with an advanced limited season date.'

HONDO

Rick said:

I thought heralds were folded, flyers just font and/or reverse image and not folded.

This is where the confusion exists. On NFSA an image of Around The Boree Log from 1925 credits it as being a bifold flyer. No image availabe though.

HONDO

II would certainly appear that the NFSA has credited all film related items that are usually considered as being either flyers or heralds as being solely flyers.

 Anyone else care to comment?

John

Press Books and Press Sheets occasionally reference heralds or couriers but I think "Flyer" is just a term that some collectors used when they were unsure of the correct definition.

Bruce

I know zero about Australian heralds, but to me, for any flyer type U.S. item to be considered a herald, it MUST have a blank area designed for theater name and playdates.

HONDO

Bruce said:

I know zero about Australian heralds, but to me, for any flyer type U.S. item to be considered a herald, it MUST have a blank area designed for theater name and playdates.

A little confused then. On your website you list 7635 items as being heralds, and zero flyer listings included. The 7635 items consist of entries with or without the blank area for the theatre details. In Australia the theatre involved and screening dates were often pre-printed on the advertising material. 

Bruce

Were they pre-printed or over-printed? And show me a few examples of heralds on my site that don't have either theater information or a blank area, and I will fix them.

HONDO

Bruce said:

Were they pre-printed or over-printed? And show me a few examples of heralds on my site that don't have either theater information or a
 blank area, and I will fix them.

To reply to your first question it would certainly appear the answer to be overprinted, as seen appearing on the following Harmony Road 1933 herald examples.

I had previously mentioned some examples were pre-printed, but I now wish to adjust that statement and say most film company heralds would appear to have been overprinted, but with some individual theatres appearing to do some pre printing material of their own, 



 
Check And Double Check (1930) pre-printed U.S.A. theatre herald. A question is was this cinema a sole exhibitor or perhaps it was part of a chain, and the herald design was also used elsewhere as well with other cinema details applied. 

To respond to your second request I need a little more time to do some more checking before responding?

Bruce

On the Check and Double check, I think it was a locally created herald, where the theater used a newspaper ad and added their details above and below.

HONDO

Bruce said:

On the Check and Double check, I think it was a locally created herald, where the theater used a newspaper ad and added their details above and below.

Thanks for that.

HONDO

Bruce said;
 And show me a few examples of heralds on my site that don't have either theater information or a blank area, and I will fix them.                         

 There are ten versions of the same U.S.A. When Worlds Collide herald on your website. The following image appears for the earlier ten entries. On originally entering into one of the ten examples I found it credited the herald as being a one page herald in very good condition, so this is the example that I based my original thinking  on.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
 Since you raised your question I have checked out all of the ten entries and found six of the posters to be credited as being one page. The remaining four posters are all credited as being two pages and show the following additional second image on them.
                                                                                                                                   


Aby information Bruce regarding the bottom poster layout would be appreciated.

Bruce

Easy! The ones printed for theaters to overprint were one page with a blank back they would overprint.

The ones printed to be inserted in pressbooks (usually tipped in) had ordering info on the back.

When we give page counts, we only could non-blank pages, because some items have 50 single sided pages, and we feel it would be deceptive to describe them as 100 pages (even though they technically do have them!).

So a herald with a blank back is one page, and one with a printed back is two page.

And as I said, all heralds either have a blank area, or an overprinted area, or they aren't a herald, they are a flyer or a brochure (depending on page count).

HONDO

 Nicely explained and thanks for that information..