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Let's Do a Restorer's Family Tree...

CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
Need some of the more seasoned members like Bruce and Rich to chip in...

So Poster Mountain has now Spawned 4th Cone.

John Davis once was an apprentice of ?  I think there were at least two more restorers from the same guy.  Help!
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  • unfriendlycollectorunfriendlycollector Member Posts: 190 ✭✭ One-Sheeter
    Its either Igor edelmen or Joe Hernandez. Don't recall.
    MICHAEL

  • HumphreyBogartHumphreyBogart Member Posts: 924 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    So 4th cone is poster mountain?  :-?
    Reg
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    edited June 2014
    1.0 - Jose Ma. Carpio  (Source) (Cinemonde on Polk Street) 
    1.1 - Joe Hernandez (Studio C)
    1.1.1 - Judy Jones (The Poster Patch)
    1.1.2 - John Davis (Poster Mountain)
    1.1.2.1 Melissa, Katie, & Chelsea (4th Cone)
    1.1.3 - Gordon Christman (Gordon G. Christman Restoration)
    1.1.4 - Sylvia Locken (Precision Restoration)
    1.1.5 - Susan Olson (Deceased - here is a very nice tribute.  She appears to have been a great gal)
    1.1.6 - Carol Tincup (Carol Tincup Fine Art Restoration) Can't find a site though.
    1.1.7 - Diane Jeffrey (Studio C)
    1.1.8 - Jaime and Norma Mendez (Jaime Mendez Restoration)

    That's all I have so far...  The question now is how many restorers in the US aren't from the Joe Hernandez school?


    Post edited by Charlie on
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  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    edited June 2014
    2.0 Igor Edleman (Edelman Restoration Studio) (Now run by Lena and Lara - not sure who the apprentice is)
    2.1 Mario Cueva (Lumiere Poster Restoration)
    Post edited by Charlie on
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  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    edited June 2014
    3.0 J. Fields Studio (Know Papersmith)
    3.1 Chris Cloutier (Posterfix)
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  • BruceBruce Member, Captain Movie Poster Posts: 894 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    How in the world did Jose Carpio get in this? He is not a restorer and never owned a restoration studio.
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  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    Ok... Joe Hernandez listed him as a mentor. Maybe Jose gave him posters to back... Thanks! Anything else you could add would be awesome!
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  • BruceBruce Member, Captain Movie Poster Posts: 894 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    edited June 2014
    Jose Carpio gave Joe H a ton of work when he started, but that is all. Igor predated Joe H by a good ten years,

    Diane J became partners with Joe in Studio C a few years after it began, and then she bought him out and owns it completely. Your chart should reflect this far better.

    The second restorer after Igor was Jim Sanchez, who mostly did lobby cards (also window cards, inserts and half-sheets, few larger), and he did TONS of restoration in the 1970s and 1980s. Sometime in the early 2000's he retired, and he still calls me every now and again.

    There is also Judy Jones (who I believed learned from Joe H, but maybe Jim S), and legendary collector Crowell Havens Beech, who was self-taught.

    There was Sei Peterson in the early 1990s, who started somewhere else that I can't remember (but not on your chart). He was based in Baltimore.

    There was some New York guy who did a lot of expensive stuff in the 1980s and 1990s, but he wasn't as good as Igor. I will try to come up with his name.

    Igor was a true fine artist (he could re-create anything with watercolors or oils), and I don't think anyone working today is as good as he was at his best.

    Joe Hernandez was a complete nut (and sadly, a thief) but there was no one better with chemical restoration (but he likely acrylics, and he was willing to "improve" on what was printed by enhancing it, which was totally unethical). But many of Jose's and Sotheby's best items were "dipped in paint" by Joe, and brought staggering amounts of money, and he was so good that few if any of the buyers had any idea how much restoration the posters had.
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  • MattMatt Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 5,147 admin
    Interesting, thanks Bruce!
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin

    New List:

    1.       Igor Edleman (Edelman Restoration Studio) (Now run by Lena and Lara - not sure who the apprentice is, Rufat?)

    1.1.    Mario Cueva (Lumiere Poster Restoration)

    2.       Jim Sanchez

    3.       Joe Hernandez (Studio C)

    3.1.    Judy Jones (The Poster Patch)

    3.2.    John Davis (Poster Mountain)

    3.2.1. Melissa, Katie, & Chelsea (4th Cone)

    3.3.    Gordon Christman (Gordon G. Christman Restoration)

    3.4.    Sylvia Locken (Precision Restoration)

    3.5.    Susan Olson (Deceased - here is a very nice tribute.  She appears to have been a great gal)

    3.6.    Carol Tincup (Carol Tincup Fine Art Restoration) Can't find a site though.

    3.7.    Diane Jeffrey (Studio C) – Diane beca

    3.8.    Jaime and Norma Mendez (Jaime Mendez Restoration)

    4.       J. Fields Studio (Know Papersmith)

    4.1.    Chris Cloutier (Posterfix)

    5.       Crowell Havens Beech

    6.       Sei Peterson

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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    And who mentored Dario?   Probably a polar bear
    Chris
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    According to him, a government think tank.  Not kidding.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    Charlie said:
    According to him, a government think tank.  Not kidding.
    Yep.  So it was several polar bears then
    Chris
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 10,246 admin
    Charlie said:

    New List:

    1.       Igor Edleman (Edelman Restoration Studio) (Now run by Lena and Lara - not sure who the apprentice is, Rufat?)

    1.1.    Mario Cueva (Lumiere Poster Restoration)

    2.       Jim Sanchez

    3.       Joe Hernandez (Studio C)

    3.1.    Judy Jones (The Poster Patch)

    3.2.    John Davis (Poster Mountain)

    3.2.1. Melissa, Katie, & Chelsea (4th Cone)

    3.3.    Gordon Christman (Gordon G. Christman Restoration)

    3.4.    Sylvia Locken (Precision Restoration)

    3.5.    Susan Olson (Deceased - here is a very nice tribute.  She appears to have been a great gal)

    3.6.    Carol Tincup (Carol Tincup Fine Art Restoration) Can't find a site though.

    3.7.    Diane Jeffrey (Studio C) – Diane beca

    3.8.    Jaime and Norma Mendez (Jaime Mendez Restoration)

    4.       J. Fields Studio (Know Papersmith)

    4.1.    Chris Cloutier (Posterfix)

    5.       Crowell Havens Beech

    6.       Sei Peterson

    Lorra begatting in the resto world...
    David
  • HumphreyBogartHumphreyBogart Member Posts: 924 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    CSM said:
    Charlie said:
    According to him, a government think tank.  Not kidding.
    Yep.  So it was several polar bears then
    Too many Rambos in Canada!
    Reg
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    David said:
    Charlie said:

    New List:

    1.       Igor Edleman (Edelman Restoration Studio) (Now run by Lena and Lara - not sure who the apprentice is, Rufat?)

    1.1.    Mario Cueva (Lumiere Poster Restoration)

    2.       Jim Sanchez

    3.       Joe Hernandez (Studio C)

    3.1.    Judy Jones (The Poster Patch)

    3.2.    John Davis (Poster Mountain)

    3.2.1. Melissa, Katie, & Chelsea (4th Cone)

    3.3.    Gordon Christman (Gordon G. Christman Restoration)

    3.4.    Sylvia Locken (Precision Restoration)

    3.5.    Susan Olson (Deceased - here is a very nice tribute.  She appears to have been a great gal)

    3.6.    Carol Tincup (Carol Tincup Fine Art Restoration) Can't find a site though.

    3.7.    Diane Jeffrey (Studio C) – Diane beca

    3.8.    Jaime and Norma Mendez (Jaime Mendez Restoration)

    4.       J. Fields Studio (Know Papersmith)

    4.1.    Chris Cloutier (Posterfix)

    5.       Crowell Havens Beech

    6.       Sei Peterson

    Lorra begatting in the resto world...
    ?  Did I misspell something here?
    That second mouse in the bowl of cream we call life...
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 10,246 admin
    Lorra = Lot of...Brit slang made famous by Cilla Black
    Begatting = Genesis 5, the procreation of man. 
    Resto...
    David
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    Well I was hoping some MOPO folks would have jumped in and added some info.  May have to take it directly to them at some point.
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  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 10,246 admin
    Larry Toth owned/started Papersmith.

    Ian from M & W Graphics started at Papersmith

    Josh Tangeman bought Papersmith from Larry Toth - it went under, stories abound I am told...

    Michael Brewster (Studio M, Sydney, Australia) started with J Fields Studio also did time with the Chisholm Gallery & the Chisholm Larsson Gallery.






    David
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    So what is the connection between j fields and papersmith?
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  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 10,246 admin
    Don't know. Papersmith came out of J Fields?
    David
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin

    I'm going to work on this a bit more...

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  • PaulPaul Member, Quad Master Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    I aways thought John Davis was originally at Studio C  ?
    It's more than a Hobby...
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    Right... Owned by Joe Hernandez. That is in the outline.
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  • MirosaeMirosae Member Posts: 851 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    This is really helpful - thanks Charlie. I thought 4th Cone girls worked in Poster Mountain, so thanks for clarifying.

     I heard they are really good.
    Rosa -
    Love some paper
  • DavidDavid Member Posts: 10,246 admin
    edited July 2016
    Mirosae said:
    This is really helpful - thanks Charlie. I thought 4th Cone girls worked in Poster Mountain, so thanks for clarifying.

     I heard they are really good.
    They are, I've used them a couple of times

    http://vintagemoviepostersforum.com/discussion/301/fourth-cone-restoration
    David
  • MirosaeMirosae Member Posts: 851 ✭✭✭ Daybiller
    Thanks  David, good to know you too were happy with them.  I heard their customer service is good - I shall keep them in mind.
    Rosa -
    Love some paper
  • CharlieCharlie Member, Administrator, Moderator, Game Master Posts: 6,341 admin
    edited March 2017

    Revised List:

    1.       Igor Edleman (Edelman Restoration Studio) (Now run by Lena and Lara - not sure who the apprentice is, Rufat?)

    -1.1.    Mario Cueva (Lumiere Poster Restoration)

    --1.1.1 Someone named Vilad???

    2.       Jim Sanchez

    3.       Joe Hernandez (Studio C)

    -3.1.    Judy Jones (The Poster Patch)

    -3.2.    John Davis (Poster Mountain)

    --3.2.1. Melissa, Katie, & Chelsea (4th Cone)

    -3.3.    Gordon Christman (Gordon G. Christman Restoration)

    -3.4.    Sylvia Locken (Precision Restoration)

    -3.5.    Susan Olson (Deceased - here is a very nice tribute.  She appears to have been a great gal)

    -3.6.    Carol Tincup (Carol Tincup Fine Art Restoration) Can't find a site though.

    -3.7.    Diane Jeffrey (Studio C) – Diane became partners with Joe and then bought him out completely...

    -3.8.    Jaime and Norma Mendez (Jaime Mendez Restoration)

    4.      Papersmith (Larry Toth)

    -4.1     Ian (M&W Graphics)

    -4.2    Chris Cloutier (Posterfix)

    5.       J. Fields Studio (bought Papersmith?) Is this also Josh Tangeman?

    -5.1    Michael Brewster (Studio M - Also did time with Chisholm Gallery and Chisholm Larsson Gallery)

    6.       Crowell Havens Beech

    7.       Sei Peterson

    8.       Master Printer and Paper Restorer in Toronto TBD?

    -8.1     Dan Miles (Backing to the future)

    9.       Poster Plus (Chicago)

    10.     Jason Leonard - Affiche Studio OR

    11.     Dario Casadei - Vintage Movie Art

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  • EisenhowerEisenhower Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 4,107 admin
    And which of those above actually cook their own conservation grade wheat paste...
  • PaulPaul Member, Quad Master Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    I aways thought John Davis was originally at Studio C  ?  And left to form Poster Mountain...
    It's more than a Hobby...
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