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  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    Mike posted a follow up image on CATHS facebook page...



    Unfortunately the reflection makes it hard to see the image, but looks like another OS????
    For anyone that may be interested the two posters clealy visible on either side of the above image are of So This Is Harris! This 28 minute short appeared to have supported King Kong in major city bookings as well with many other cinema bookings around Australia.

    So This Is Harris! is a 1933 American Pre-Code short comedy film directed by Mark Sandrich. It won an Oscar in 1934 for Best Short Subject (Comedy).The Academy Film Archive preserved So This Is Harris! in 2012. ( Wikipedia )




    Lawrence
  • CSM_2_Point_0CSM_2_Point_0 Member, Super Sleuth Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    Great connection with the herald Lawrence!
    -Chris

    There's a street of lights

    A long dark night
    Restaurant scenes
    And dark machines...

  • JohnJohn Member, Dealer Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    Maybe the King Kong daybills might be lurking under floorcoverings somewhere!
    John

  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    edited August 18
    Cancelled - to follow up shortly.



    Lawrence
  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    edited August 18

    Ves said

    I wonder if the OS used out the front of the Triumph Theatre shared above is the US OS and not the aussie?

    Chris said

    Just like the US six sheets, Style A OS and the two half sheets.



    The U.S.A. one sheet.

    Due to my earlier mentioned two King Kong one sheet posters having one with the King Kong title appeariing in what appears to be white, while the other one being in a very dark appearance, one has to wonder if both an Australian and an imported U.S. one sheet version were used here.



    Now to complicate matters even more. A completely different one sheet?  The RKO Radio logo, Edgar Wallace title and Fay Wray's pose are different from the U.S. one sheet image. If this is a one sheet then there would now appear to have been at least three versions used here for the one sheet and the origin of the three individual posters remain unknown.


    Ves. for the last image you posted is it from a different theatre, and if so what is it's name?

    Lawrence
  • CSM_2_Point_0CSM_2_Point_0 Member, Super Sleuth Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    edited August 18


    US Style A
    -Chris

    There's a street of lights

    A long dark night
    Restaurant scenes
    And dark machines...

  • theartofmovieposterstheartofmovieposters Member Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭✭✭ Elite Collector
    It is from the same theatre, and agree with Chris...the US Style A most likely.  Hence the thinking the OS outside the theatre along with the two daybills is also the US not aussie, accounting for the different colouring of the wording.
  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector


    Excellent Chris, and we now have established for certain that at least one U.S. one sheet was used in Australia.
    Lawrence
  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    edited August 18


    A larger image of the two daybills showing the special censorship rating was printed on them. Norman McMurray was responsible for these posters. Please bring on the actual full colour poster images.
    Post edited by HONDO on
    Lawrence
  • dedeposterdedeposter Member Posts: 66 ✭✭ One-Sheeter
    When I asked whether he kept any of the pics this was the response.

    "all his work was pasted up and covered up by the following weeks posters so none survive."

    Makes you weep, but it was just advertising material back then so no one had any idea they'd be scarce or valuable.
  • CSM_2_Point_0CSM_2_Point_0 Member, Super Sleuth Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    Just for reference with larger image above


    -Chris

    There's a street of lights

    A long dark night
    Restaurant scenes
    And dark machines...

  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector


    US Style A

    Kong's teeth makes this version look more like advertising from a much later horror film 
    Lawrence
  • CSM_2_Point_0CSM_2_Point_0 Member, Super Sleuth Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    Over the last few years we’ve either found or confirmed pics of daybills for Frankenstein, Dracula, White Zombie and now King Kong. 

    Feel like the Mummy and Bride of Frankenstein are right around the corner!  🥳
    -Chris

    There's a street of lights

    A long dark night
    Restaurant scenes
    And dark machines...

  • theartofmovieposterstheartofmovieposters Member Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭✭✭ Elite Collector
    edited August 18
    Really want to see a full colour of the one on the right...ALOT
    Post edited by theartofmovieposters on
  • CSM_2_Point_0CSM_2_Point_0 Member, Super Sleuth Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭✭ Three-Sheeter
    edited August 18
    Really want to see a full colour of the one of the right...ALOT
    I agree Ves - it seems to be a unique design only appearing on the daybill
    -Chris

    There's a street of lights

    A long dark night
    Restaurant scenes
    And dark machines...

  • dedeposterdedeposter Member Posts: 66 ✭✭ One-Sheeter
    Are we fully satisfied now (if we weren’t before) that the HA “first release” Kong daybill is likely a second printing or subsequent RR?

    Compare the title lettering of this amazing photo with the HA copy. Similar to what Lawrence is mentioning about the OS above...
    The HA auctions version also looks quite subdued in its colour, I would expect a first release of such a big title to be quite colourful.
  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    Are we fully satisfied now (if we weren’t before) that the HA “first release” Kong daybill is likely a second printing or subsequent RR?

    Compare the title lettering of this amazing photo with the HA copy. Similar to what Lawrence is mentioning about the OS above...
    The HA auctions version also looks quite subdued in its colour, I would expect a first release of such a big title to be quite colourful.

    The thing that seals it for me though is that the special censorship rating is missing from the HA version, thus confirming the poster wasn't from the original very first 1933 first release usage. There is a possibility that due to the Australian censors change of heart in removing the special censorship rating from advertising, a quick non censorship rating version was produced as an early second printing. The lack of a censorship rating would support this thinking also, as had the poster been from the late 1930s some censorship most likely would have appeared on the poster.
    Lawrence
  • dedeposterdedeposter Member Posts: 66 ✭✭ One-Sheeter
    HONDO said:
    Are we fully satisfied now (if we weren’t before) that the HA “first release” Kong daybill is likely a second printing or subsequent RR?

    Compare the title lettering of this amazing photo with the HA copy. Similar to what Lawrence is mentioning about the OS above...
    The HA auctions version also looks quite subdued in its colour, I would expect a first release of such a big title to be quite colourful.

    The thing that seals it for me though is that the special censorship rating is missing from the HA version, thus confirming the poster wasn't from the original very first 1933 first release usage. There is a possibility that due to the Australian censors change of heart in removing the special censorship rating from advertising, a quick non censorship rating version was produced as an early second printing. The lack of a censorship rating would support this thinking also, as had the poster been from the late 1930s some censorship most likely would have appeared on the poster.
    Another way of thinking could be that the special censorship label was a snipe attached after the poster was printed...but I don't think so due to the different colouring of the main title King Kong.
  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    edited August 18


     Norman McMurray copied the above daybill on the left directly from original U.S.A artwork similar to what appears on the above U.S. campaign book. The second image on the right seems to be an original conceived design by McMurray as it doesn't appear on the campaign book images or anywhere else it would appear to me. If an original Australian daybill of King Kong ever turns up I would hope it would be this one.

    Lawrence
  • darolodarolo Member Posts: 41 ✭ Mexican Lobby Carder
    Even though there is a lot of Australian Kong material there, it is likely the two 6 sheets are U.S. I have one 6 sheet that was used in Australia around this time and it was printed by Morgan Litho. 
    Here is a U.S. 6 sheet that was up for auction in 2008.



  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    edited August 20


    A couple of what I think are interesting things regarding movie poster artists I thought I would mention here, before moving on to the next to be covered artist.

    1) The artists didn't always sign the same way on their various works, and in at least with one artist an alias was used.

    2 ) The poster work was sometimes designed by one person, but the actual poster artwork completed by a different person.  Just to clarify that I don't mean an Australian artist copying from overseas artwork, but for all original artwork originating in Australia.
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    Lawrence
  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
     

    MOVIE POSTER  ARTISTS PART 1 NORMAN MCMURRAY.

    A late entry of a trade advertisement from Everyones magazine dated November 14, 1934 featuring McMurray's  outstanding artwork image of Miriam Hopkins promoting RKO's The Richest Girl In The World.

         

    MOVIE POSTER ARTISTS PART TWO coming soon.
    Lawrence
  • HONDOHONDO Member Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭✭✭✭ Le Grande Collector
    edited September 8




    A little extra regarding The Richest Girl In The World artwork. Although the Everyone's artwork is signed by McMurray the above similar daybill artwork isn't signed, I think that everyone would have to agree though that the unsigned daybill was more than likely also designed and drawn by him.
    Post edited by HONDO on
    Lawrence
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