Buyer Beware!

HONDO · August 2016

A new listing on eBay for a U.K. Quad of House of Frankenstein ( 1944). Advertised as an original poster with a price of 900 pounds U.K. ( $ 1,566.87 Australian ). What it should have said is '' an original re-release poster of House Of Frankenstein ( 1944 )''.

HONDO · August 2016

The above poster as I mentioned was for a re-release in the U. K. Paul our resident quad man will confirm this I am sure. The re-release would have been sometime between the late 1940's until the early 1960's when Eros dropped out of the film distribution business. I am hoping Paul may be able to pin down a closer release date.

110x75 · August 2016

Quite stunning nonetheless

HONDO · August 2016

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The Birds ( 1963 ). Three U.S. one sheets pictured above. The bottom image poster recently sold on eBay on the 9 / 8 / 2016, after 19 bids placed, for $ 305 AU. Before I say any more about these posters I would like to hear any members thoughts on the three posters ? Are they original, re-releases or reproductions and which ones are which ?

John · August 2016

The top one is an original US one sheet.

John · August 2016

Buyer beware is a good title for this thread. I think the second and third posters are both repros so 305.00 is way over the odds.

David · August 2016

Are they stated as repros or originals?

HONDO · August 2016

John said:

The top one is an original US one sheet.

Correct.

David said:

Are they stated as repros or originals?

Bruce's image is credited as being a reproduction.

The last image above for the eBay sold poster was advertised as original release.

HONDO · August 2016

Images 2 & 3 are reproductions for the following reasons.

They measure 27'' x 40'' compared to the original being 27'' x 41''.

Both printed on glossy modern paper.

Both rolled and not folded as they would have been if original,

Both missing the entire white border on left hand side of posters.

Both nothing like an original US one sheet in terms of dot printing, etc.

Some of the information on the bottom of the posters is different that the original one sheet. The two posters are slightly different with this information as well, indicating definitely they are two separate reproductions.

John · August 2016

The person who paid 305.00 for the bottom poster must have thought it was original.

HONDO · August 2016

John said:

The person who paid 305.00 for the bottom poster must have thought it was original.

I'm sure this would have been the case but not one of our members I hope.

The House Of Frankenstein quad re-release is still being advertised on E Bay to Buy It Now for GBP 900.

John · August 2016

The House Of Frankenstein quad certainly does have the Eros films logo on it which confirms that it is a re release. Eros Films operated from 1947-1961 as Lawrence points out. The poster has no printers details on it but I think it is likely to be late 1950s and possibly early 60s.

HONDO · September 2016

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Life Of Brian ( aka Monty Python's Life Of Brian ) ( 1979 ). The daybill poster on the right is currently being advertised on Heritage & eBay as if it is from the original Australian release. It is actually from a later time and according to IMDB there was an 1983 Australian re-release, so that would be my thinking if the date is correct. The image on the left is of course from the original 1979 Australian release.

Sven · September 2016

What do people think about these lobby cards recently sold? They look very perfect and white.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/bansfortherays/m.html?hash=item2cb2332a54:g:PQgAAOSwFdtX1U0-&item=191968258644&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=lobby&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684

HONDO · September 2016

Sven said:

What do people think about these lobby cards recently sold? They look very perfect and white.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/bansfortherays/m.html?hash=item2cb2332a54:g:PQgAAOSwFdtX1U0-&item=191968258644&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=lobby&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2046732.m1684

100% positive feedback (1163 ) for seller with eBay since 2005. Mentions items have been stored since Dad passed. Sounds o.k. to me. Has anyone dealt with this seller before ?

Bruce · September 2016

Looks to me like a world record price for Dave Graveen repros, but what do I know?

HONDO · September 2016

Bruce said:

Looks to me like a world record price for Dave Graveen repros, but what do I know?

I was just commenting on what it looks like at face value, but you could be right Bruce. One thing of interest is all are either title or great scene cards.

theartofmovieposters · September 2016

I think I am glad I don't really collect lobbies (as a general rule) based on what is being said here

Bruce · September 2016

HONDO said:

Bruce said:

Looks to me like a world record price for Dave Graveen repros, but what do I know?

I was just commenting on what it looks like at face value, but you could be right Bruce. One thing of interest is all are either title or great scene cards.

Naturally, because no one makes repros of bad scene cards!

HONDO · September 2016

Bruce said:

HONDO said:

Bruce said:

Looks to me like a world record price for Dave Graveen repros, but what do I know?

I was just commenting on what it looks like at face value, but you could be right Bruce. One thing of interest is all are either title or great scene cards.

Naturally, because no one makes repros of bad scene cards!

Absolutely right, but at the present time we have no proof one way or the other, but as the cards apparently are under a cloud of suspicion at the moment, as my thread says - buyer beware !

Sven · September 2016

I have studied the creature cards in detail. For example , have a close look at the images of the original copies

For example #8
http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/film_title/CREATURE%20FROM%20THE%20BLACK%20LAGOON/tag/xtype%3Alobby%20card/style/%238/archive.html

Now compare to the ebay image of creature card #8.

There are two key but minor differences ( there may be more ) Have a look around the blue lake border and green border.

Sven · September 2016

For card #8 , Also look below the first "r" in "Creature" in the originals and compare to ebay image..litle dash of yellow missing, it appears in all originals

Bruce · September 2016

Dave Graveen would digitally "clean up" his images BEFORE making repros. He wasn't doing it to deceive anyone, so why not make them look as nice as possible. I just wish he had marked them in some small way, because all the time I get calls and emails from people who think they "struck it rich".

It is not 100%, but whenever you see "all good titles" and "all good scenes", think David Graveen repros!

Sven · September 2016

Cheers Bruce!!

David · September 2016

Good thread guys, keep 'em coming - we have a lot of collectors moseying in from Facebook watching this thread, hopefully they will join in and share.

Paul · September 2016

Hey Hondo, don't know how I missed this thread..

Yes that House of Frankenstein Quad is from the 50's, as you and John rightly pointed out. Did the guy drop the price or is it still up for sale?

HONDO · September 2016

Paul said:

Hey Hondo, don't know how I missed this thread..

Yes that House of Frankenstein Quad is from the 50's, as you and John rightly pointed out. Did the guy drop the price or is it still up for sale?

I don't know as I hadn't looked recently. Looking a few minutes ago it doesn't seem to appear on eBay at present. I wonder if he sold it or withdrew it ?

HONDO · February 2017

A newspaper advertisement for the official 1950 Australian re-release of Thousands Cheer ( 1943 ).

The above poster is currently being offered for sale as an original 1943 release on eBay at a price of AU$200.00. The problem is that the film is a 1950 re-release. The poster above is clearly showing ''MGM re-presents"' along with ''An MGM Masterpiece Reprint''.

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David · February 2017

I let him know, he didn't respond but he ended his listing.

Then re-listed it with the same details! I guess by ending it he removes the fact it shows '1 question unanswered'

Someone else's turn.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DAYBILL-MOVIE-POSTER-RARE-ORIGINAL-THOUSANDS-CHEER-Gene-Kelly-/332067682611?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

HONDO · July 2017

Australian first release in 1969 one sheet. ----- Australian re-issue one sheet from 1970.

Heritage is currently auctioning the poster on the right above as an original Australian release poster.

In 1970 Kinney bought Warner Bros and the Warner Bros. - Seven Arts logo was changed back to Warner Bros. The Australian trade publication Yearbook The Film Weekly, lists the Australian Sydney, N.S.W, releases as follows ---

May 22,1969, Bullitt, WB-7, 111m.

April, 16, 1970, Bullitt ( R.I. ), WB, 110m.

Anyone currently bidding on Bullitt on Heritage are most likely thinking the poster is an original release poster. Current bid as a few minutes ago is $650. It is the same design, but just with different Warner Bros, details.

HONDO · July 2017

U.K. double crown poster circa 1969-1971. --- U.S. pressbook 1969. Some press books have some pages marked international edition ).

Two Advertisements for later Australian screenings in 1971. Note the Sundown Drive-In advertisement is taken from the original Australian release material which has the Warner Bros - Seven Arts name and logo appearing on it.

Both Bullitt and Bonnie And Clyde were re-released in Sydney on 16 / 4 / 1970 as a double bill.

This information should clear up why the re-release of Bullitt happened so quickly after the original release took place. if anyone was wondering,

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