Amended **** star and non 4 star Australian RKO one sheet ongoing count.
Up to 1935. 1 without stars.
1936 / 1948. 31 with **** stars.
1949 / 1958. 46 without stars.
Man Alive ( 1945 ), image with **** stars supplied by Ves, to be added to list totals.
Amended **** star and non 4 star Australian RKO one sheet ongoing count.
Up to 1936 (amended ). 1 without stars.
1937 / 1948. ( amended ). 32 with **** stars.
1949 / 1958. 49 without stars.
Please note I have amended the Up to 1935 period to now read - Up to 1936, and the 1936 / 1948 **** stars period to 1937 / 1948. The reason for this change is that the one title I had sighted from 1936 with **** stars was A Woman Rebels. The film was a 1936 U.S.A. release but I have since established the film premiered in Australia on 29 January, 1937. This appears the same year ( to be confirmed ) that the **** stars logo started being printed on Australian daybills as well.
Additional titles to be added. The Boy With Green Hair ( 1948 ). **** ( Released in Sydney Australia 24 June 1949 ) The Falcon Takes Over ) ( 1942 ). ****
Now amended **** star and non 4 star Australian RKO one sheet ongoing count.
Up to 1935. 1 without stars.
1936 / 1949. ( Amended from 1948 to 1949 the changeover year from **** stars to without stars in Australia where both styles were used ). 34 with **** stars.
1934...no stars, but what I am tipping would have been STUNNING if in colour!
Do they state with these that they are copies of daybill as they certainly look like they are? All 1933 and before the introduction of the 4 star logo. I am sure you are right in saying that they would be stunning.
"Four Daybills of the the most unusual and striking design" so yes
You should include the two different styles of Morning Glory in the ''Two different original styles of the same daybill designs'' thread as they qualify?
Finally the Australian RKO Radio 4 star daybill usage history as I know it.
To the best of my knowledge the following details cover the times the 4 star logo was printed on Australian daybills.
Up to 1936 numerous variations of RKO logos appeared on their daybill posters.
In December 1936 it appears the boxed 4 star logo appeared in a Everyones advertisement, perhaps for the first time. This style of logo then appeared on RKO daybills as follows.
1937 for that year's Australian releases. 1938 for that year's Australian releases. 1939 for almost all that year's Australian releases, with a few exceptions appearing at the end of the year being unboxed and without stars. 1940 being both 4 star and non 4 star style being used. 1941 being both 4 star and non 4 star style used again this year. 1942 being almost all non 4 star style, but at least one 4 star title Suspicion appeared in 1942. Perhaps printed in 1941 and a release in Australia was delayed. 1943 / 1958 all without the 4 stars appearing as this style, as it had been discontinued in Daybill usage. Important to note though that the 4 star logo continued appearing on Australian RKO one and three sheets until the end on the 1940's.
I need to mention that during the 1943 / 1958 period on the non 4 star logo daybill usage, that I found one RKO daybill titled Banjo ( 1947 ) printed by F. Cunninghame with the 4 star logo minus being encased in a box though and the only one I have sighted printed as such a way ), printed on it. Almost all RKO daybolls produced in the 1940's were printed by Simmons, with few exceptions. I would suggest that the Banjo daybill printed by F.Cunninghame, who was RKO's main one sheet and three sheets printer at this time and were printing the 4 star logo on all these posters, made an error with the daybill presentation, in this instance due to hardly ever being given RKO daybills in the 1940's to produce.
Amended **** star and non 4 star Australian RKO one sheet ongoing count.
Up to 1935. 1 without stars.
1936 / 1948. 31 with **** stars.
1949 / 1958. 46 without stars.
Man Alive ( 1945 ), image with **** stars supplied by Ves, to be added to list totals.
Amended **** star and non 4 star Australian RKO one sheet ongoing count.
Up to 1936 (amended ). 1 without stars.
1937 / 1948. ( amended ). 32 with **** stars.
1949 / 1958. 49 without stars.
Please note I have amended the Up to 1935 period to now read - Up to 1936, and the 1936 / 1948 **** stars period to 1937 / 1948. The reason for this change is that the one title I had sighted from 1936 with **** stars was A Woman Rebels. The film was a 1936 U.S.A. release but I have since established the film premiered in Australia on 29 January, 1937. This appears the same year ( to be confirmed ) that the **** stars logo started being printed on Australian daybills as well.
Additional titles to be added. The Boy With Green Hair ( 1948 ). **** ( Released in Sydney Australia 24 June 1949 ) The Falcon Takes Over ) ( 1942 ). ****
Now amended **** star and non 4 star Australian RKO one sheet ongoing count.
Up to 1935. 1 without stars.
1936 / 1949. ( Amended from 1948 to 1949 the changeover year from **** stars to without stars in Australia where both styles were used ). 34 with **** stars.
1949 to 1958. 49 without stars.
Additional RKO one sheet titles with images found.
The Secret Fury ( 1950 ) ( no stars ) ( from Wil ) Tarzan's Hidden Jungle ( 1955 ) ( no stars ) ( from Wil ) The Conqueror ( 1956 ) ( no stars ) ( from HA ) Days Of Glory ( 1944 ) ( **** ) ( from Ves ) Bombardier ( 1943 ) ( **** ) ( from John )
Australian RKO one sheet **** star and non 4 star updated totals.
Up to 1935. 1 without stars.
1936 / 1949. 36 with **** stars.
1949 / 1958. 52 without stars.
A note about John's Married and In Love **** daybill. This film was released in the U.S.A. in very late 1940 and in Australia in early 1941, the year during which RKO Australia officially dropped the **** from their daybill logo advertising.
The 4 stars seem to have started appearing on daybills around 1937 and finished around 1941. .The only example after this if the 1947 film Banjo printed by F.Cunninghame.The daybills were being printed around this period by Simmons and all without the stars.As F. Cunninghame were printing the RKO one sheets ( rather badly ) around this time with the 4 stars on them that when they were given this daybill of Banjo to print, they without thinking, added the 4 stars logo they were currently using on the one sheets. There was a period from around 1939 to 1941 when RKO daybills were being printed with the 4 Stars and also without the 4 stars by Simmons. One wonders Why?
Hondo
This daybill might affect the theory that four star daybills were only printed from 1939 - 41. This is a four star logo on a daybill printed around 1945 possibly even later .....
In the late 1930's in Australia RKO started printing their one sheets with the 4 stars logo and this continued until around 1948. The 4 stars appeared to have been discontinued in around 1949 as no examples of one sheets after then have been sighted with the stars.The only exception to an Australian one sheet being printed during the period starting in the late 1930's through to 1948 without the four stars is the 1939 film Gunga Din printed by Marchant . Draw your own conclusions why the stars were not printed on the poster. The only thing I can think of is Marchant wasn't their usual printer and maybe this is why perhaps the four stars was overlooked.There is also something else that worries me .There is an Australian one sheet of the 1936 film A Woman Rebels which stars Katharine Hepburn with the 4 stars on it. I believe this poster is a re-release 1940's poster as the printer is Victory Publicity who were a 1940's to early 1950's printer.
Now saying all this the four stars printed on daybills is different.The printing in this format had a checkered history and different to the Australian one sheet. The 4 stars seem to have started appearing on daybills around 1937 and finished around 1941. .The only example after this if the 1947 film Banjo printed by F.Cunninghame.The daybills were being printed around this period by Simmons and all without the stars.As F. Cunninghame were printing the RKO one sheets ( rather badly ) around this time with the 4 stars on them that when they were given this daybill of Banjo to print, they without thinking, added the 4 stars logo they were currently using on the one sheets. There was a period from around 1939 to 1941 when RKO daybills were being printed with the 4 Stars and also without the 4 stars by Simmons. One wonders Why?
Hondo
The vast majority of RKO daybills printed during the 1940's were printed by Simmons. Although F. Cunninghame printed a large amount of RKO one sheets in the 1940's with the four stars appearing on them all up to 1948, they rarely were asked by RKO Australia to print daybills. The very small amount that they did design and print were either "B'' grade titles or duotone second printings, probably to lighten Simmons workload at certain times. They were printed with borders and without the four stars appearing. I suggest that due to constantly using the four star logo on the one sheet posters that The Enchanted Cottage daybill along with Banjo daybill were simply oversights by F. Cunninghame. As one knows printers were renowned for making many errors on their posters. To prove my theory about the four star usage incorrect one will have to produce a Simmons daybill designed and printed between the four star period in question that is without four stars printed on the poster otherwise I firmly believe that the four star usage on daybills was intended to be used exclusively on full bleed RKO daybill titles only. That got me enthused again so thank you John.
What years is the 4 star period in question again?
Lawrence is saying that the four star logo on daybills only occurred during the period 1939 - 41. He says that "in Australia in early 1941, the year during which RKO Australia officially dropped the **** from their daybill logo advertising."
I'm not trying to prove or disprove Lawrence's theory. I'm just showing an image of a four star logo on a daybill printed around 1945. I thought that might be of interest.
What years is the 4 star period in question again?
Lawrence is saying that the four star logo on daybills only occurred during the period 1939 - 41. He says that "in Australia in early 1941, the year during which RKO Australia officially dropped the **** from their daybill logo advertising."
I'm not trying to prove or disprove Lawrence's theory. I'm just showing an image of a four star logo on a daybill printed around 1945. I thought that might be of interest.
John's daybill image was of interest and I wasn't implying anything, but only attempting to reinforce my beliefs, due to some new evidence being presented..
Both in late 1940 and into 1941 both 4 star and non 4 star logos were printed on Simmons daybills. By the commencement of 1942 all Simmons RKO logos on daybills appear to be then without the 4 stars.
In the late 1930's in Australia RKO started printing their one sheets with the 4 stars logo and this continued until around 1948. The 4 stars appeared to have been discontinued in around 1949 as no examples of one sheets after then have been sighted with the stars.The only exception to an Australian one sheet being printed during the period starting in the late 1930's through to 1948 without the four stars is the 1939 film Gunga Din printed by Marchant . Draw your own conclusions why the stars were not printed on the poster. The only thing I can think of is Marchant wasn't their usual printer and maybe this is why perhaps the four stars was overlooked.There is also something else that worries me .There is an Australian one sheet of the 1936 film A Woman Rebels which stars Katharine Hepburn with the 4 stars on it. I believe this poster is a re-release 1940's poster as the printer is Victory Publicity who were a 1940's to early 1950's printer.
Now saying all this the four stars printed on daybills is different.The printing in this format had a checkered history and different to the Australian one sheet. The 4 stars seem to have started appearing on daybills around 1937 and finished around 1941. .The only example after this if the 1947 film Banjo printed by F.Cunninghame.The daybills were being printed around this period by Simmons and all without the stars.As F. Cunninghame were printing the RKO one sheets ( rather badly ) around this time with the 4 stars on them that when they were given this daybill of Banjo to print, they without thinking, added the 4 stars logo they were currently using on the one sheets. There was a period from around 1939 to 1941 when RKO daybills were being printed with the 4 Stars and also without the 4 stars by Simmons. One wonders Why?
Hondo
The vast majority of RKO daybills printed during the 1940's were printed by Simmons. Although F. Cunninghame printed a large amount of RKO one sheets in the 1940's with the four stars appearing on them all up to 1948, they rarely were asked by RKO Australia to print daybills. The very small amount that they did design and print were either "B'' grade titles or duotone second printings, probably to lighten Simmons workload at certain times. They were printed with borders and without the four stars appearing. I suggest that due to constantly using the four star logo on the one sheet posters that The Enchanted Cottage daybill along with Banjo daybill were simply oversights by F. Cunninghame. As one knows printers were renowned for making many errors on their posters. To prove my theory about the four star usage incorrect one will have to produce a Simmons daybill designed and printed between the four star period in question that is without four stars printed on the poster otherwise I firmly believe that the four star usage on daybills was intended to be used exclusively on full bleed RKO daybill titles only. That got me enthused again so thank you John.
Like to add that although very limited in avaiable images the RKO 3 sheets appeared to follow in the path of the one sheets with the 4 star logos appearing on their 1940's posters, then switching over to the non 4 stars logo in the 1950's as well.
The vast majority of RKO daybills printed during the 1940's were printed by Simmons. Although F. Cunninghame printed a large amount of RKO one sheets in the 1940's with the four stars appearing on them all up to 1948, they rarely were asked by RKO Australia to print daybills. The very small amount that they did design and print were either "B'' grade titles or duotone second printings, probably to lighten Simmons workload at certain times. They were printed with borders and without the four stars appearing. I suggest that due to constantly using the four star logo on the one sheet posters that The Enchanted Cottage daybill along with Banjo daybill were simply oversights by F. Cunninghame. As one knows printers were renowned for making many errors on their posters. To prove my theory about the four star usage incorrect one will have to produce a Simmons daybill designed and printed between the four star period in question that is without four stars printed on the poster otherwise I firmly believe that the four star usage on daybills was intended to be used exclusively on full bleed RKO daybill titles only. That got me enthused again so thank you John.
I swear when reading the last sentence I read euthanised - I wondered what the fuck John was up to.
Both in late 1940 and into 1941 both 4 star and non 4 star logos were printed on Simmons daybills. By the commencement of 1942 all Simmons RKO logos on daybills appear to be then without the 4 stars.
You said
"To prove my theory about the four star usage incorrect one will have to produce a Simmons daybill designed and printed between the four star period in question that is without four stars printed on the poster otherwise I firmly believe that the four star usage on daybills was intended to be used exclusively on full bleed RKO daybill titles only"
Either you've contradicted yourself or we need more clarification.
Both in late 1940 and into 1941 both 4 star and non 4 star logos were printed on Simmons daybills. By the commencement of 1942 all Simmons RKO logos on daybills appear to be then without the 4 stars.
You said
"To prove my theory about the four star usage incorrect, one will have to produce a non ( word since added ) Simmons daybill designed and printed between the four star period in question that is without four stars printed on the poster otherwise I firmly believe that the four star usage on daybills was intended to be used exclusively on full bleed RKO daybill titles only".
Either you've contradicted yourself or we need more clarification.
I have even confused myself here. On the line below ''You said'' it should have included the word ''non'' before the word ''Simmons'', reading ''non Simmons''. I have added the word ''non'' just above within my previous quote.
To clarify myself further there are some Simmons daybills that were printed in Australia in 1940 and 1941 without the 4 stars included in the logo, as well as the 4 star ones printed then. Unlike the one and three sheets that were printed with 4 stars appearing on them up to circa 1948, when they ceased being used, daybills printed by Simmons from the late 1930's with 4 stars on them were gradually not used exclusively in 1940 and 1941, when logos without 4 stars were also used as well, until 1942 when all RKO daybills were printed without the 4 stars appearing on them.
Hope this clarifies matters and sorry for any confusion that may have occurred.
Comments
Additional titles to be added. The Boy With Green Hair ( 1948 ). **** ( Released in Sydney Australia 24 June 1949 )
The Falcon Takes Over ) ( 1942 ). ****
Now amended **** star and non 4 star Australian RKO one sheet ongoing count.
Up to 1935. 1 without stars.
1936 / 1949. ( Amended from 1948 to 1949 the changeover year from **** stars to without stars in Australia where both styles were used ). 34 with **** stars.
1949 to 1958. 49 without stars.
Finally the Australian RKO Radio 4 star daybill usage history as I know it.
To the best of my knowledge the following details cover the times the 4 star logo was printed on Australian daybills.
Up to 1936 numerous variations of RKO logos appeared on their daybill posters.
In December 1936 it appears the boxed 4 star logo appeared in a Everyones advertisement, perhaps for the first time.
This style of logo then appeared on RKO daybills as follows.
1937 for that year's Australian releases.
1938 for that year's Australian releases.
1939 for almost all that year's Australian releases, with a few exceptions appearing at the end of the year being unboxed and without stars.
1940 being both 4 star and non 4 star style being used.
1941 being both 4 star and non 4 star style used again this year.
1942 being almost all non 4 star style, but at least one 4 star title Suspicion appeared in 1942. Perhaps printed in 1941 and a release in Australia was delayed.
1943 / 1958 all without the 4 stars appearing as this style, as it had been discontinued in Daybill usage. Important to note though that the 4 star logo continued appearing on Australian RKO one and three sheets until the end on the 1940's.
I need to mention that during the 1943 / 1958 period on the non 4 star logo daybill usage, that I found one RKO daybill titled Banjo ( 1947 ) printed by F. Cunninghame with the 4 star logo minus being encased in a box though and the only one I have sighted printed as such a way ), printed on it. Almost all RKO daybolls produced in the 1940's were printed by Simmons, with few exceptions. I would suggest that the Banjo daybill printed by F.Cunninghame, who was RKO's main one sheet and three sheets printer at this time and were printing the 4 star logo on all these posters, made an error with the daybill presentation, in this instance due to hardly ever being given RKO daybills in the 1940's to produce.
If anyone has any questions fire away.
Additional RKO one sheet titles with images found.
The Secret Fury ( 1950 ) ( no stars ) ( from Wil )
Tarzan's Hidden Jungle ( 1955 ) ( no stars ) ( from Wil )
The Conqueror ( 1956 ) ( no stars ) ( from HA )
Days Of Glory ( 1944 ) ( **** ) ( from Ves )
Bombardier ( 1943 ) ( **** ) ( from John )
Australian RKO one sheet **** star and non 4 star updated totals.
Up to 1935. 1 without stars.
1936 / 1949. 36 with **** stars.
1949 / 1958. 52 without stars.
A note about John's Married and In Love **** daybill. This film was released in the U.S.A. in very late 1940 and in Australia in early 1941, the year during which RKO Australia officially dropped the **** from their daybill logo advertising.
Lawrence is saying that the four star logo on daybills only occurred during the period 1939 - 41. He says that "in Australia in early 1941, the year during which RKO Australia officially dropped the **** from their daybill logo advertising."
I'm not trying to prove or disprove Lawrence's theory. I'm just showing an image of a four star logo on a daybill printed around 1945. I thought that might be of interest.
I can't make out who the printer is?
John's daybill image was of interest and I wasn't implying anything, but only attempting to reinforce my beliefs, due to some new evidence being presented..
I swear when reading the last sentence I read euthanised - I wondered what the fuck John was up to.
"To prove my theory about the four star usage incorrect one will have to produce a Simmons daybill designed and printed between the four star period in question that is without four stars printed on the poster otherwise I firmly believe that the four star usage on daybills was intended to be used exclusively on full bleed RKO daybill titles only"
Either you've contradicted yourself or we need more clarification.
To clarify myself further there are some Simmons daybills that were printed in Australia in 1940 and 1941 without the 4 stars included in the logo, as well as the 4 star ones printed then. Unlike the one and three sheets that were printed with 4 stars appearing on them up to circa 1948, when they ceased being used, daybills printed by Simmons from the late 1930's with 4 stars on them were gradually not used exclusively in 1940 and 1941, when logos without 4 stars were also used as well, until 1942 when all RKO daybills were printed without the 4 stars appearing on them.
Hope this clarifies matters and sorry for any confusion that may have occurred.
Adding for completeness of thread